andy_s Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 It seems the law must be written in a suitably vague way so as to allow individual companies to (mis)interpret as they see fit. My own experience of working in the education sector is that the university employing me as a Visiting Lecturer was satisfied with a scan of my expired passport. (I had no plans to travel so hadn't got round to renewing it) (this proved quite expensive when I did later get some overseas work at fairly short notice and had to use the one day service... but that's another story) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 My dear employer (a University) went through an exercise a few years ago where all staff had to bring in evidence (passport, birth cert etc) to prove they were eligible to work in UK. However, they only applied these criteria to people who had worked there for less than 15 years. The “old timers” were exempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GridGirl Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Can you send a certified copy of your passport? Surely that's as good as the original? I do recall having to take my passport (with working visa) to employers in the UK to prove I was legit - and this was ten years ago - but then I am very obviously a Kiwi! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbsy Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Gridgirl got there first. I've never heard of anywhere...even the Australian embassy when I was applying for my visa...that wouldn't accept a certified copy of my documents. Indeed, they specifically requested that originals NOT be sent. On top of that, I've never asked for...or been asked for...my passport or birth certificate in the process of hiring an employee. When I moved to the UK, I had to fill in passport (and, in my case the visa) details on a form but that was it. It all sounds very dodgy to me--a best a delaying tactic and, at worst, an attempt at identity theft either by the company or a rogue employee. I'd be ringing somebody in that company's senior management to query the whole thing--and I certainly would NOT let them have original documents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the kid Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Is normal "form" not to have a copy and double signed with contact details of 2 people. Thats how passport photos are (or were when I got mine done), one has to be a person known to you for x years, the other a senior manager of the company you are with, preacher, MP, or two others I cant remember but are classed "reputable". If they wont take the word of a minister(religious or political) who will they trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulears Posted February 19, 2015 Author Share Posted February 19, 2015 Right to work check list.pdf Here is the checklist - note the Home Office requirement for original documents. You can see that they remove the ability to use short birth certificates by the requirement for parents details - which are missing from the short versions or extract only versions. It requires documents in the plural - so minimum of two, which for most is passport and birth certificate. If you don't have a passport - you would indeed appear to be stuck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alistermorton Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Right to work check list.pdf Here is the checklist - note the Home Office requirement for original documents. You can see that they remove the ability to use short birth certificates by the requirement for parents details - which are missing from the short versions or extract only versions. It requires documents in the plural - so minimum of two, which for most is passport and birth certificate. If you don't have a passport - you would indeed appear to be stuck! Oh yeah, when I had to prove I was eligible to continue working in the UK I had no current passport and had to get it renewed in order to provide proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canoemoose Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 When I worked for a Students' Union I had to complete this rigmarole every year, as does my sister currently at another University. That checklist has been interpreted as (one item from List A) OR ((one item from List B Group 1) AND (one item from List B Group 2)) in both of our cases; I do not have a passport and she does. EDIT: Although checking this document https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/311668/Code_of_practice_on_preventing_illegal_working.pdf this may not have been correct... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave m Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 http://www.postoffice.co.uk/document-certification-service any good? I posted a letter last week and was wondering the same thing, as I had a need to get certified photocopies of something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulears Posted February 19, 2015 Author Share Posted February 19, 2015 I doubt that works because of Photoshop - too easy to forge nowadays. It won't copy or edit banknotes, but old documents are fine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jivemaster Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 The hospital where I work went through all the staff wanting proof of entitlement to work in the UK including a close colleague of 35years service for that trust. Lots of people simply HAD to get a passport, £100 ish just to keep your job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadhippy Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Almost seems like having a passport has become compulsory,or an ID card by stealth if I was the cynical type Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulears Posted February 20, 2015 Author Share Posted February 20, 2015 I don't do politics, but that thought hadn't occurred to me, but you're right, to get a new job or sometimes keep an old one, it's the only document approved by the government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Lewis Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 And about the only way to get a passport is to submit the form with photos that have been signed by someone... who has a valid passport... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior8 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Almost seems like having a passport has become compulsory,or an ID card by stealth if I was the cynical type Not cynical - just right. Mind you until that deputy head accused of murder was found to have falsified most of his qualifications I'd never at any stage of working been asked to prove my identity after enrolling at college and being allocated my DES number! It made me think... Soon after that the passport check became quite common and I was certainly asked to produce mine as long ago as 2000 when working on contract with a local authority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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