paulears Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Showtec at PLASA also have a rather nice (as it happens) LED source moving head that they equate to a 250W MSD brightness wise. Difficult to tell, but it did seem pretty bright - and well equiped - and decent optics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Difficult to tell, but it did seem pretty bright - and well equiped - and decent optics.Hmmm, I might take my lightmeter along with me tomorrow..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADPete Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 I took a look at the LED movers at the Showtec stand and they did seem to have a reasonable output, certainly far better than the LED par offerings we've been seeing the for past year or two. I thought they'd be quite useable in the right situations, I'll think more carefully about LED when I next invest in movers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulears Posted September 15, 2009 Author Share Posted September 15, 2009 That would be interesting Brian. I wanted to look at the leds, so opened the fader to the first level, and this was lookable at - the second upwards as the fade in continued were too bright. It was also a different shape to everything else, more like vari*lite in design. I must admit that I found this more interesting than many of the other items of kit which get more and more similar to each other every year. The only thing I found a bit odd was the two gobo wheels. They do appear to be physically distant from each other because I couldn't get both to be in acceptable focus together - so the nice interference pattern type effects were a bit difficult. Optics wise, even with the LEDs physically separate the gobo focus was pretty sharp. Worth a fiddle with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadhippy Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Must admit I was also impressed with the light output,even the little 150w equivalent was quit pokey.My only concern was the 250 keep reseting on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick LX Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 I saw this too and was as well impressed although the Mac 401 Dual caught my eye. (Probably because it was so big), but also the VLX. That was very good. Really enjoyed the "see-through" version of that so that you could see the internals working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamtastic3 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 What heads were Showtec showing? I've noticed they've got a couple of heads out: Giant 250 LED and Indigo 250 LED which Thomann sell, yet I've found no-one who has used them or have pictures (beam output/gobos) of these units. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossmck Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 They had the Indigo 250 LED at PLASA which I think is the one Paul's talking about above... very impressive little fixture particularly for the cost and lamp life B-) .. there was a few things on the Showtec stand which surprised me in terms of quality and performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niclights Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 I couldn't figure out the hopeless desk they had attached :) Moved on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossmck Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 I couldn't figure out the hopeless desk they had attached :) Moved on. Yep - at the very least they should include labelling showing which channel controls what ;) It didn't seem to dim terribly smoothly at the lower end, but still better than many LED fixtures I've played with before.... Slowly they seem to be getting to the stage that they'd be useful in a theatre environment (at least in the smaller ones I work in) - the quietness is certainly very appealing ... compared to my slowly ageing Clay Paky and Martin fixtures anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hadyn.williams Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 I have to say I was exceptionally impressed by the VLX. Equivalent light output to a 700W Arc source from 7 LED chip sets. Really packs one hell of a punch. Also no colour shadowing that you often get from LED sources such as the impression or A7. Also like the fat that you can actually vary the colour temperature of the white - so trying to create tungsten from RGBW/A you can actually just put it straight to 3200K Another nice gimmick was the USB port so if you have a problem you can plug in a memory stick, download the diagnostics and email it to Vari*lite Really enjoyed the "see-through" version of that so that you could see the internals working. They have had so much interest in this it's actually going to become available to buy to cover as an add on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick LX Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Really enjoyed the "see-through" version of that so that you could see the internals working. They have had so much interest in this it's actually going to become available to buy to cover as an add on! It might have been interesting, but it is blooming ugly when see through. Prefer black. I did see on one stand, either the Clay Paky or the Robe stand, a CHROME mover! Seriously ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hadyn.williams Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 I did see on one stand, either the Clay Paky or the Robe stand, a CHROME mover! Seriously ugly. haha, yeah that was Robe aimed at the club market I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musht Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Equivalent light output to a 700W Arc source from 7 LED chip sets. Really packs one hell of a punch. If they run it at full power, but the clear one was in `low power silent mode` was told.... The Indigo 250 uses white LEDs and a colour wheel ,does a really poor red an excellent blue and did seem really respectably bright , it uses 27 5W LEDs , 135W of LED power in an unusual curved heatsink assembly, optics to compensate probably affects the imaging issue Paul mentioned with gobos, somone buy Showtec some tape and sharpies... Thomann are listing it at 1295.99 GBP http://www.thomann.de/gb/showtec_indigo_250_led.htm A concurrent post has been automatically merged from this point on. Really enjoyed the "see-through" version of that so that you could see the internals working. They have had so much interest in this it's actually going to become available to buy to cover as an add on! It might have been interesting, but it is blooming ugly when see through. Prefer black. Needs some LED fans ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hadyn.williams Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 If they run it at full power, but the clear one was in `low power silent mode` was told.... Both the VLX's on the stand were in 'Quiet mode' - half the normal volume (which is pretty damn quiet anyway) and 25% less output. They were still pretty damn bright even so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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