Yorkie Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Just seen this video from Plasa Show London 2015 that briefly outlines the Neutrik 10 pin XLR: General consensus between my Facebook friends is that it's an unnecessary gimmick and Neutrik don't appear to have released any more information on it. Anyone know what the thinking behind it is, or how developed it is? (It's not April 1st by the way) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ynot Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Well, he sort of answers the question in the video... Some in the industry have ASKED for something to replace the ethernet/ethercon option with something more robust.And I wouldn't have thought there would be a massive development outlay on making what will essentially be a different inner for their standard XLR shells. The hardest bit would be getting sufficient air-gap between the 10 pins (though there will be worse connectors to solder up out there... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryson Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I'm having difficulty imagining that the 10 tiny pins would be more "robust" than the RJ45 insert in an Ethercon. (In fact, I was musing that the ideal way would be to arrange them in rows with a plastic insert to support them...ie: exactly what an Ethercon already is...) The 7-pin XLRs were already using pins that were too small for my liking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackerr Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Well, he sort of answers the question in the video... Some in the industry have ASKED for something to replace the ethernet/ethercon option with something more robust.And I wouldn't have thought there would be a massive development outlay on making what will essentially be a different inner for their standard XLR shells. The hardest bit would be getting sufficient air-gap between the 10 pins (though there will be worse connectors to solder up out there... ) There was already an alternative, although in practice maybe it didn't prove better. The round Ethernet connector is still used by Martin as the data link on the MLA series, but I notice Link is no longer offering it in their mulitpins. I am not a big fan of Ethercon connectors, having the XL shell engaged does not necessarily mean the RJ45 is seated correctly, although it is nice that someone thought about strain relief on CAT5 lines. It remains to be seen if this new Neutrik is a success, and I hope they will specify which wires go on which pins because it is critical in high speed data that the twist is carried as far into the connector as possible. The 2 power pins are a bonus if your gear can run on low voltage, it will be able to carry more current than POE can supply. While the RJ series of connectors have been around for a long time, I remember the first time I saw them replacing hardwired handsets on telephone thinking "this crappy connector won't be around long". Oh well... I'm taking a wait and see position. Mac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart91 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 I've noticed that Ethercon sockets can be broken quite easily - one of our customers has a number of personal mix stations that have problems. It seems that the inner part comes away from the shell if it gets knocked badly enough. Of course, if the socket is PCB mounted it's an expensive repair. I wonder if a 10-pin XLR would be any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiffy Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Cant imagine it being any better. The grief we have with bent pins on 5Pin XLR when variously skilled local crews have twisted them around to get them in is bad enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryNattrass Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 A 7 pin is hard enough to solder so god help anyone what has to do a 10! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timsabre Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 A 7 pin is hard enough to solder so god help anyone what has to do a 10! If it's for ethernet it will presumably be some type of IDC since CAT5 is not intended to be solderable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryNattrass Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Ha ha they make us solder it for the coms on the Olympics though and this was the effort of the engineering graduate for Excel 3 London 2012 ! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/GaryNattrass/IMG_1248.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackerr Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Ha ha they make us solder it for the coms on the Olympics though and this was the effort of the engineering graduate for Excel 3 London 2012 ! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/GaryNattrass/IMG_1248.jpg Now just twist it all together. Mac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timsabre Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Yes I've soldered plenty of it too, but it isn't designed to be soldered so hopefully Neutrik will have a solution to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emsgeorge Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 I was at the showmans show today, speaking to the neutrik rep, who was at the show with a stand. I saw a physical demo and 'back end' of the 10 pin, and the d panel connector. It seems quite easy to solder, with 2 levels of lengths of solder cups on the rear, not as crammed as you would think. Its designed with the insert being the only different bit, so standard replacement bits available (coloured sleeves etc) from normal XLRs. Shipping late Jan I have been told. edited to add: 2 of the pins are bigger than the rest, for poe I assume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alistermorton Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Ha ha they make us solder it for the coms on the Olympics though and this was the effort of the engineering graduate for Excel 3 London 2012 ! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/GaryNattrass/IMG_1248.jpg Eeeeuuw. That would have got us drummed out of the apprentice training school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart91 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 If 10-pin XLR replaces Ethercon, is the plan to have cables that are male-female and sexed panel connectors, like conventional XLRs, or will it remain like ethercon, where the cables are the same sex either end and couplers are required to extend them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cedd Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I guess as Ethernet is bi-directional, the ethercon/RJ45 gender method probably makes most sense. For audio or DMX, where direction of travel is a very definite thing it seems to make sense to do male to female, but once you start passing data back and forth I think male on the cable and female on the equipment works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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