Radio Mics - Ch 69 is back!

[StevieR]

Here's the link to the announcement on the Arqiva site. This has the link to the EC decision article also.

 

New PMSE Spectrum

 

Steve

[Barreller]

I see on the Shure website (http://www.shure.co.uk/support_download/frequencies) that 822 - 830 is Channel 65 and 830 - 838 is Channel 66. Is this correct guys? They say that Channel 69 is 854 - 862.

 

Thanks Steve

 

And Paul!!

[richardash1981]

I imagine this is going to annoy those on OFCOM hoping to sell this space off for 4G considerably!

 

Agree with Simon Lewis "Interesting that although it's licence free in Europe we have to pay for it....". The PMSE license is now great value for people who need a lot of channels (especially if you can cover the whole 823-832 range as well as CH38), but still a steep entrance for anyone needing a 5th channel beyond having 4 in Ch70. And of course all the slices are non-adjacent, so equipment will work in at most two of the three ranges. Just hope OFCOM doesn't decide to move us all back out of Ch38 to "consolidate" around this new allocation.

 

Related, there was an OFCOM consultation back in 2013 on opening up 870 - 876 MHz, which resulted in a decision to open this range up for 'Short Range Devices', in line with a European designation for this band. This was consulted again, http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/consultations/short-range-devices/ in the conclusions of which they try so hard to be technology neutral that I can't tell whether it would be permissible to operate a conventional radio mic in this range or not! Obviously this is an unlicensed band so the Ch.70 issues would apply, but it's considerably bigger than the previously available part of Ch.70!

[Simon Lewis]

I noted that Sennheiser has a frequency range for the XS radios that incorporates only 823-832 plus 863-865. Of course, in Germany and other European countries this will make perfect sense - it's the "no licence" radio system... However, having a product for sale in the UK that can use four frequencies for free and needs a licence for the rest takes us straight back to the days of having channels 65-[70] in a radio systems tuning range but only being able to use a fraction of that without a licence.

 

For licence free users, Sennheiser have their new D1 system (2.4GHz) and will soon release a "speech only" radio system based on the DECT standard.

 

On the one hand it is good to see an increasing number of different frequency bands and technologies being made available. On the other, all of these different technologies have strengths and weaknesses and we will probably yearn for a) somewhere for all the amateur and non licenced users to play (probably what 2.4GHz will become) and b) a sensibly sized similarly licenced chunk of contiguous spectrum for the pro users to use. Welcome though it is, this announcement (to my mind at least) just makes the situation more confusing for users and manufacturers.

 

 

 

[Peter F]

Ah - I'm hoping that a similar thing can be done for Sennheiser G2 Range E units!!

 

System: EW300IEM G2

Checked For:

Spectrum : On 0.000

Spacing : On 0.400

2Tx IM(3) : On 0.200

2Tx IM(5) : On 0.200

3Tx IM(3) : On 0.200

 

 

Channel configuration: 4

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

831.000 MHz 3

831.800 MHz 4

 

Channel configuration: 4

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

831.400 MHz 3

832.000 MHz 4

 

Channel configuration: 4

830.200 MHz 1

830.600 MHz 2

831.200 MHz 3

832.000 MHz 4

 

Channel configuration: 4

830.200 MHz 1

831.000 MHz 2

831.600 MHz 3

832.000 MHz 4

 

 

System: EW G2 Standard

Checked For:

Spectrum : On 0.000

Spacing : On 0.400

2Tx IM(3) : On 0.100

2Tx IM(5) : On 0.100

3Tx IM(3) : On 0.100

 

Channel configuration: 4

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

830.900 MHz 3

831.500 MHz 4

 

Channel configuration: 4

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

830.900 MHz 3

831.600 MHz 4

 

Channel configuration: 4

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

830.900 MHz 3

831.700 MHz 4

 

Channel configuration: 4

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

830.900 MHz 3

832.000 MHz 4

 

Cheers,

 

Peter

[Simon Lewis]

Peter,

 

Excellent work - thank you! Understandably, I don't have SIFM on my phone and didn't fancy working it out in Excel... :-)

 

Simon

[Peter F]

I figured it would be useful to post them here so they show up in search. Might make someone's show a bit easier at some point.

 

Cheers,

 

Peter

[Lamplighter]

This is useful information, but does it work with channel 38 and channel 70 (if used) Intermodulation is a proven problem across these bands so you need to check all of the frequencies in use.

Brian

[Peter F]

Fair point Brian, I should have included those frequencies, not quite sure how I missed them in the first place, must have been giddy with the excitement of an extra 2MHz!

 

Personally I am interested in maximising the legal frequencies from my existing Sennheiser IEM G2 IEMs (Frequency range E 830-865). I don't have any channel 38 sets.

 

You can get 6 compatible frequencies in various commutations of 830-832 & 863-865:

------------------ System Proposal #1 ---------------------------------------

System: EW300IEM G2

Checked For:

Spectrum : On 0.000

Spacing : On 0.400

2Tx IM(3) : On 0.200

2Tx IM(5) : On 0.200

3Tx IM(3) : On 0.200

 

Channel configuration: 6

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

831.000 MHz 3

831.800 MHz 4

863.000 MHz 5

864.200 MHz 6

 

System: EW300IEM G2

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

831.000 MHz 3

831.800 MHz 4

863.000 MHz 5

864.600 MHz 6

 

System: EW300IEM G2

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

831.000 MHz 3

831.800 MHz 4

863.000 MHz 5

865.000 MHz 6

 

System: EW300IEM G2

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

831.000 MHz 3

831.800 MHz 4

863.200 MHz 5

864.400 MHz 6

 

System: EW300IEM G2

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

831.000 MHz 3

831.800 MHz 4

863.200 MHz 5

864.800 MHz 6

 

System: EW300IEM G2

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

831.000 MHz 3

831.800 MHz 4

863.400 MHz 5

864.600 MHz 6

 

System: EW300IEM G2

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

831.000 MHz 3

831.800 MHz 4

863.400 MHz 5

865.000 MHz 6

 

System: EW300IEM G2

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

831.000 MHz 3

831.800 MHz 4

863.600 MHz 5

864.800 MHz 6

 

System: EW300IEM G2

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

831.000 MHz 3

831.800 MHz 4

863.800 MHz 5

865.000 MHz 6

 

System: EW300IEM G2

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

831.000 MHz 3

863.000 MHz 4

863.800 MHz 5

865.000 MHz 6

 

Cheers,

 

Peter

[sandall]

Great work Peter. Did you also work out the 2 Ch.70 freqs that go with your 4 EW G2 Standard sets (I don't use IEM, but I'm running out of lapel freqs)

[Rob_P]

I'm feeling a little left out here - I am a licence holder but didn't get an email!

 

As I understand it this new range falls under the "Channel 38 shared licence", and can be added to licence paperwork on request. Is this correct?

 

Now I wish that I hadn't sold my Chan 69 G2 equipment...

[Peter F]

Did you also work out the 2 Ch.70 freqs that go with your 4 EW G2 Standard sets (I don't use IEM, but I'm running out of lapel freqs)

 

Here you go...

 

Compatible Channels: 8

 

System: EW G2 Standard

Checked For:

Spectrum : On 0.000

Spacing : On 0.400

2Tx IM(3) : On 0.100

2Tx IM(5) : On 0.100

3Tx IM(3) : On 0.100

 

Channel configuration: 8

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

831.000 MHz 3

831.900 MHz 4

863.000 MHz 5

863.700 MHz 6

864.200 MHz 7

865.000 MHz 8

 

System: EW G2 Standard

Channel configuration: 8

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

831.000 MHz 3

831.900 MHz 4

863.000 MHz 5

863.800 MHz 6

864.300 MHz 7

865.000 MHz 8

 

System: EW G2 Standard

Channel configuration: 8

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

831.100 MHz 3

832.000 MHz 4

863.000 MHz 5

863.500 MHz 6

864.300 MHz 7

864.900 MHz 8

 

System: EW G2 Standard

Channel configuration: 8

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

831.100 MHz 3

832.000 MHz 4

863.000 MHz 5

863.600 MHz 6

864.400 MHz 7

864.900 MHz 8

 

System: EW G2 Standard

Channel configuration: 8

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

831.100 MHz 3

832.000 MHz 4

863.100 MHz 5

863.600 MHz 6

864.400 MHz 7

865.000 MHz 8

 

System: EW G2 Standard

Channel configuration: 8

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

831.100 MHz 3

832.000 MHz 4

863.100 MHz 5

863.700 MHz 6

864.500 MHz 7

865.000 MHz 8

 

System: EW G2 Standard

Channel configuration: 8

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

831.300 MHz 3

832.000 MHz 4

863.000 MHz 5

863.500 MHz 6

864.100 MHz 7

864.900 MHz 8

 

System: EW G2 Standard

Channel configuration: 8

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

831.300 MHz 3

832.000 MHz 4

863.000 MHz 5

863.800 MHz 6

864.400 MHz 7

864.900 MHz 8

 

System: EW G2 Standard

Channel configuration: 8

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

831.300 MHz 3

832.000 MHz 4

863.100 MHz 5

863.600 MHz 6

864.200 MHz 7

865.000 MHz 8

 

System: EW G2 Standard

Channel configuration: 8

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

831.300 MHz 3

832.000 MHz 4

863.100 MHz 5

863.900 MHz 6

864.500 MHz 7

865.000 MHz 8

 

These are done using Sennheiser's SIFM software by the way. You can download it from their website.

 

Cheers,

 

Peter

[gibbothegreat]

At the risk of seeming ungrateful, Peter, it's worth noting that most of the sets above contain unusable frequencies - the actual available legal frequencies are 830.00 - 831.900, and 863.100 - 864.900 - there's always a buffer when the channel fringes on to a different band of spectrum.

[Peter F]

My final attempt:

 

Frequency ranges 830.00-831.900MHz and 863.100-864.900MHz

 

System: EW300IEM G2

Compatible Channels: 6

 

Checked For:

Spectrum : On 0.000

Spacing : On 0.400

2Tx IM(3) : On 0.200

2Tx IM(5) : On 0.200

3Tx IM(3) : On 0.200

 

Channel configuration: 6

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

831.000 MHz 3

831.800 MHz 4

863.000 MHz 5

864.200 MHz 6

 

System: EW300IEM G2

Channel configuration: 6

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

831.000 MHz 3

831.800 MHz 4

863.000 MHz 5

864.600 MHz 6

 

System: EW300IEM G2

Channel configuration: 6

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

831.000 MHz 3

831.800 MHz 4

863.200 MHz 5

864.400 MHz 6

 

System: EW300IEM G2

Channel configuration: 6

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

831.000 MHz 3

831.800 MHz 4

863.200 MHz 5

864.800 MHz 6

 

System: EW300IEM G2

Channel configuration: 6

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

831.000 MHz 3

831.800 MHz 4

863.400 MHz 5

864.600 MHz 6

 

System: EW300IEM G2

Channel configuration: 6

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

831.000 MHz 3

831.800 MHz 4

863.600 MHz 5

864.800 MHz 6

 

System: EW300IEM G2

Channel configuration: 6

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

831.600 MHz 3

863.000 MHz 4

863.600 MHz 5

864.400 MHz 6

 

System: EW300IEM G2

Channel configuration: 6

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

831.600 MHz 3

863.000 MHz 4

863.800 MHz 5

864.400 MHz 6

 

System: EW300IEM G2

Channel configuration: 6

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

831.600 MHz 3

863.000 MHz 4

863.800 MHz 5

864.800 MHz 6

 

System: EW300IEM G2

Channel configuration: 6

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

831.600 MHz 3

863.000 MHz 4

864.000 MHz 5

864.800 MHz 6

 

And for EW300 G2 Standard...

Compatible Channels: 7

 

System: EW G2 Standard

Checked For:

Spectrum : On 0.000

Spacing : On 0.400

2Tx IM(3) : On 0.100

2Tx IM(5) : On 0.100

3Tx IM(3) : On 0.100

 

Channel configuration: 7

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

830.900 MHz 3

831.500 MHz 4

863.000 MHz 5

863.700 MHz 6

864.700 MHz 7

 

System: EW G2 Standard

Channel configuration: 7

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

830.900 MHz 3

831.500 MHz 4

863.000 MHz 5

863.700 MHz 6

864.900 MHz 7

 

System: EW G2 Standard

Channel configuration: 7

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

830.900 MHz 3

831.500 MHz 4

863.000 MHz 5

863.800 MHz 6

864.800 MHz 7

 

System: EW G2 Standard

Channel configuration: 7

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

830.900 MHz 3

831.500 MHz 4

863.000 MHz 5

864.000 MHz 6

864.700 MHz 7

 

System: EW G2 Standard

Channel configuration: 7

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

830.900 MHz 3

831.500 MHz 4

863.000 MHz 5

864.000 MHz 6

864.800 MHz 7

 

System: EW G2 Standard

Channel configuration: 7

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

830.900 MHz 3

831.500 MHz 4

863.000 MHz 5

864.200 MHz 6

864.900 MHz 7

 

System: EW G2 Standard

Channel configuration: 7

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

830.900 MHz 3

831.500 MHz 4

863.100 MHz 5

863.900 MHz 6

864.900 MHz 7

 

System: EW G2 Standard

Channel configuration: 7

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

830.900 MHz 3

831.500 MHz 4

863.100 MHz 5

864.100 MHz 6

864.800 MHz 7

 

System: EW G2 Standard

Channel configuration: 7

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

830.900 MHz 3

831.500 MHz 4

863.100 MHz 5

864.100 MHz 6

864.900 MHz 7

 

System: EW G2 Standard

Channel configuration: 7

830.000 MHz 1

830.400 MHz 2

830.900 MHz 3

831.500 MHz 4

863.100 MHz 5

863.800 MHz 6

864.800 MHz 7

 

That's your lot!

 

Cheers,

Peter

[gibbothegreat]

My final attempt:

 

...

 

That's your lot!

 

Cheers,

Peter

After which it would be churlish not to say thank you! Generous work to take the time to do this and share it.