mumbles Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 I still wish to leave as I'm clearly not welcome in this industry, so bye!Post TomG's edit: I still stand by my previous comment Tom. Please don't view the abrupt, abrasive, sometimes almost bullying nature of the Blue Room as a reason you shouldn't enter the industry. You don't have much experience, and yes it would be wise to keep your head down and keep quiet, but that is a general life lesson most young people still have to learn when they leave education, regardless of what stage they leave it at - treat this as a lesson, learn from it, and remember it next time. Some of the above comments about your website are correct, but a lot are not best put, though especially with something such as rigging you'll understand the need to be overly cautious. So don't take it to heart, and don't let people on here push you away from a career, especially as you've already got the sense that you're not pushing to come in to a job above your level, but seem to be aware you'll start at the bottom and work up. Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomG Posted April 8, 2012 Author Share Posted April 8, 2012 I still wish to leave as I'm clearly not welcome in this industry, so bye!Post TomG's edit: I still stand by my previous comment Tom. Please don't view the abrupt, abrasive, sometimes almost bullying nature of the Blue Room as a reason you shouldn't enter the industry. You don't have much experience, and yes it would be wise to keep your head down and keep quiet, but that is a general life lesson most young people still have to learn when they leave education, regardless of what stage they leave it at - treat this as a lesson, learn from it, and remember it next time. Some of the above comments about your website are correct, but a lot are not best put, though especially with something such as rigging you'll understand the need to be overly cautious. So don't take it to heart, and don't let people on here push you away from a career, especially as you've already got the sense that you're not pushing to come in to a job above your level, but seem to be aware you'll start at the bottom and work up. Martin I understand the cautions of rigging and why it so highly placed, I have seen the consequences of improper rigging and the related accidents, as well as the improper use of access equipment. I've also seen and done how easy it is to make a small mistake and how that simple mistake can have some serious consequences. This is the second time I have been "bullied" on blue-room and as of such I have spent most of the last year just lurking and reading rather than posting. I tried to make this post as detailed and transparent as possible from the outset, and as an Access thread this was working well. When people decide to add completely off topic quotes and comments from my website or my general behaviour then I'm not going to be so nice back. This thread didn't involve the website and has now just become a discussion about it, comments, like the initial quote and since discussion, should have been addressed in a PM or separate thread and not this one. Mod's please feel free to remove or move the OT posts about the website, the comments are welcome but are not for a thread on Access! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossmck Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 Theatre is a different bread where you can multi task. In broadcasting you don't. You only do what you are qualified to do. O/T (as I suppose much of the thread is) but I've noticed this having undertaken the odd freelance job in a broadcast environment... whereas in theatre most of the technicians work together and those responsible for LX would think nothing of coiling a few sound cables in an out if, for example, they were stripping a bar and they were ran alongside LX in broadcast it seems there's far more of a culture of not touching other departments kit - to the extent that I, as an LX, had to go get a set of "LX" Zarges to access something despite there being "Sound" Zarges right next to me ... coming from a theatre background I find this a bit odd ;) Going back to the original thread - the OP seems to be looking to work in broadcast primarily, therefore personally I would suggest (from my own experiences anyway) selecting an area you want to specialise in whether that be lighting, sound, production management or something else entirely and leave rigging to those who specialise in that. I don't think in the pro broadcast world you'll have much luck as a jack of all trades, far better to become a master of one ( though I could be wrong ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caerdydd Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 Tom G. Apologies, as your doing a course in Broadcasting I thought that was what you wanted to do... O/T (as I suppose much of the thread is) but I've noticed this having undertaken the odd freelance job in a broadcast environment... whereas in theatre most of the technicians work together and those responsible for LX would think nothing of coiling a few sound cables in an out if, for example, they were stripping a bar and they were ran alongside LX in broadcast it seems there's far more of a culture of not touching other departments kit - to the extent that I, as an LX, had to go get a set of "LX" Zarges to access something despite there being "Sound" Zarges right next to me ... coming from a theatre background I find this a bit odd ;) My final OT remark.... Reminds me of two British National Opera company's............ But with them even lighting was split up. If you worked in the OP wing, you daren't even walk into the PS wing to help out! Even the LX teams in different wing's had their own way of doing things! Seldom may the two work together except on an overhead rig/de rig! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brainwave-generator Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Ian, I don't know if you read the site before... but pre-edit it was really geared at "we are a lighting company and we supply rigging ourselves" kinda thing. I think that is why it was raised a bit further. I think the individual quote that got pulled out was a little bit over-inflated for the sake of criticism, but if you'd read the whole site I think you'd agree the company was punching somewhat above it's weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seano Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 In real life you wouldnt go up to someone in front of potential customers or employees and publicly slag them off and pick holes in there company and its web site and laugh at there mistakes openly. It would be considered rude. You might have a quite word with them and offer advice. I think it should be the same here, and I found some of the posts rude, the op asked for personal criticism in pm and only on topic discusion in the thread, which I find perfectly acceptable in polite society. <applause from the gallery>Well said sir. What an ill-mannered thread this has been in parts, even after the mods' collective attempts to remove the worst of the ya-boo stuff. The OP didn't really help himself on that score, but thats no excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianl Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Moving aside from nrc for a minute, seeing as we are just a bit off topic As mumbles said a few pages ago. This forum can apear very unfriendly, it can put you off asking questions, head towards bullying, and the rubber stamp " if you dont know, dont ask" stifles conversation. Soma few thoughts from me....... I'm a rigger ( qualified, competant, experienced etc) I have friends and aquantances that are riggers, we discuss rigging, often we all come up with different answers to how to do something, none of them necesarily wrong. Some times the least experienced person suggests something that triggers thought and conversation that leads to a better way. I like to think of this forum as a group of friends and aquantances and would like tonbe able to have similar conversations here without fear of ridicule or the dreaded " ask a profesional" In real life you wouldnt go up to someone in front of potential customers or employees and publicly slag them off and pick holes in there company and its web site and laugh at there mistakes openly. It would be considered rude. You might have a quite word with them and offer advice. I think it should be the same here, and I found some of the posts rude, the op asked for personal criticism in pm and only on topic discusion in the thread, which I find perfectly acceptable in polite society. Personnaly if I'm going to ask an expert or a profesional to do something for me because I'm not competant, I like to research the subject enough so I have enough knowledge to understand what the expert is proposing, so I can make a decision on whetherbi trust the expert and want them to do what they are suggesting. I do that research on the internet and in forums , reading other peoples questions and asking my own. As an example, I found cracks in my wall at home, I 'm not a builder, so I phoned some builders, but I researched best practice for fixing cracks on various forums, and using this info was able to take an informed decision about which builder was more competant to fix my cracks and what he should charge me to do so The op repeatedly stated that he was going to employ an expert, but still got the old if you have to ask......... Reply Finally the statement in his website that you all picked holes in was in fact correct, suitable ipaf training would allow him to install rigging points safely, at least in a safer maner than no ipaf training. A pm ( or even a post) saying, mate that could be misleading, would have been a lot politer than pointing out what an incompetant idiot he is To be a competant rigger, lampy, production manager etc, doesnt mean you have to be an expert at web design, english, or typing ( for example my post I,m sure) and we are all learning every day of our lives Above this point was origonally posted 4 posts ago but got moved in the tidy up. Below this point was posted in this post..... I did have a quick look and was able to read between the lines, some of the content read a little inexperienced. However everyone in their website tries to sell themselves thats what they a for. You big up past events /customers you use the most flattering photos, and you may include stuff you cant do but can sub in. I see it everywhere, and some a lot worse, "hire" companies listing lots of kit they dont own as if it was theirs etc I just think we all started somewhere and without advice and encouragment and mistakes we wouldnt have got where we are now. With a bitbof encouragment and advice these guys could be next decades experts, and with a bit of rudeness theyvcould either leave the industry or stop taking advice and have an accident I know there was a lot of good discusion and advice in the thread, there was also in my opinion some that was lesss than encouraging and some that whether intended or not appeared rude Back on topic... What about a truss across the balcony? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Some Bloke Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Moderation: We got into a long, though interesting, off topic discussion about rigging qualifications which has been split into its own topic elsewhere in this forum. Please keep discussions about qualifications over there so this topic can remain on topic. The moderators are also very unhappy that a member should feel that he has been bullied on the Blue Room. This is not what we are all about here: we are about sharing information and tips between fellow technicians, not making them feel incapable or unwanted. If we all share information and learn from each other then we will all improve and grow. Please can we ask everyone to treat fellow members with respect at all times. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomG Posted June 18, 2012 Author Share Posted June 18, 2012 Follow up: A ground based structure was used and far less imposing and smaller truss than the previous years, even though it actually covered a larger area. This years truss included more floor supports to cope with the low floor rating, and was built as a freestanding structure with no moving parts, unfortunately this meant a lot of work was done in the air off 3 MEWPS. Truss used Prolyte H-30V, overall dimensions ~18m by ~7.6m by 5.3m with a longest span of 7m. EDIT2ADD: The LC-Pannels at the back of Day-0 and Day-1 Were a last minute addition, os the drop bar was added to allow for a 4m high screen in a 5.3m high truss, ideally we would have preferred for it to be floor mounted and then safetied to the truss, it had to be flown about a foot of the ground due to lack of rigging equipment for the LC-Pannels themselves, Safety wires for the LC went directly to the truss and ignored the drop bar. If the supplier hadn't been a key sponsor and hadn't been coming to the event then we wouldn't have used them, there just such a pain to rig, and such lo res... Here's some pics of the even in full swing and of the two different configurations it was used for:Day 0 and 1 Awards Show and Broadcast Use (Musical, Murder Mystery, Talent Spotlight....)http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/319724_3532731392130_470375478_n.jpg http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/319843_3553342907405_1592413089_n.jpg Day 2 Fashion Show:http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/600679_3553344187437_757956033_n.jpg Sorry about the crappy iPhone pics.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete McCrea Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 .... LC-Pannels .... there just such a pain to rig, and such lo res... Here's hoping you never meet Barco MiTrix then. That is a pain to rig! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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