woody2 Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 perhaps derby can start teaching that... 1- there is more than one lighting desk apart from a pearl 2-you do not need a safety harness and hard hat to move a source4 which is 8ft off the ground 3-you do not get local crew on ever job and you may be expected to do some lifting 4- you can get 3 phase from a single phase source 5- after a 3am get-in, if the client provides bacon sandwiches do not ask what is the vegetarian option is 6- xyz equipment is not pants, its just that you do not know how to operate it 7- do not take pics of other companies work and pass it off as your own, when you were only the tea boy and yes you have told us about your LTD company I could go on :** laughs out loud **: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Lewis Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Sorry, but are you refering to someone in particular? We're not teaching any of these 'errors'...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulears Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 I've worked with a number of ex-Derby people and they don't seem to have the problems you suggest. I'd bet you info source wasn't perhaps, er, one of the more successful students? Some people are always going to misunderstand things - but it's a bit of a stretch to blame their inadequacies on the uni. Any dolt who's not even been to uni should understand those particular areas - and frankly, if they don't - then that says more about them, than their education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Jelfs Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Ooo look, another person come along to promote Derby Uni... I went on a really nice day and the entire city looked lovely. Don't let it fool you, it's grim up north ;):D Amen to that! After having seen a few problems many years ago, we made a specific point in our literature and open days of the technical nature of Derby's SLLET programme. The fact that we are externally accredited as an Engineering Degree by the IET and that it can lead to IEng status does help reinforce the point. Simon This ^^^ is important. I graduated from SLLET back in 2007 (doesn't feel that long ago!), but no longer work in the theatre industry. The technical nature of the SLLET course allowed me to go on to do research into acoustics, eventually gaining a PhD the beginning of this year and now work as an acoustic / sound reproduction researcher for a large electronics company. One thing I found was that often people thought that a 'theatre' course was going to be all arty and not technical, but the fact that it is accredited by the IET helps reinforce the point when you go on to interviews that your degree is an engineering course, not a slightly technical BA. perhaps derby can start teaching that...[snip]I could go on :** laughs out loud **: To be honest, I can think of a couple of people that fit your profile that have enrolled on SLLET over the years I was there, but, they are very much in the minority. A lot of people come away from the course with a good understanding of how to work in their chosen discipline, with the artistic / aesthetic knowledge to do a good job, backed by the technical knowledge of how to do it. Obv module choice dictates exactly what fields of technical knowledge is present (ie, is it multichannel sound reproduction systems, or is it how to program microchips and design complex electronic circuits, etc). But of course, SLLET, like all areas of the industry, attracts a few people with certain ego issues, who like to think they know more than everyone else... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerry davies Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Thanks for that Sam, a voice of reason. Can I make a request that would prevent sniping in this topic? As the academic institutions will be issuing student contracts this coming year whereby the institution will set out what is expected of students and what students should expect from the institution, would it not be a good idea for some sort of topic/wiki/announcement to be set up where these statements could be read by the growing numbers wanting to choose a place of study? That way newbies and school leavers could see how much tutorial time is allotted, what are the intake numbers, what kit is available and, more importantly, what the job prospects of graduates are. I don't mean the slightly dubious "set up as a freelancer" ones but those gaining regular employment. That way we can reduce the endless "which uni/college" topics on BR and people can be referred to the academic statements. Just thinking as there are at least three institutions represented here who each have a biased interest and cannot "advertise" in the forum topics. They may even wish to pay for a commercial announcement to do so and it would reduce the misdirection of students that Simon mentions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seano Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 5- after a 3am get-in, if the client provides bacon sandwiches do not ask what is the vegetarian option isYeah right, because its completely unreasonable for a vegetarian to expect to eat with the rest of the crew after working all night. <_< Don't make me hungry, Mr McGee. You wouldn't like me when I'm hungry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unfathomable Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 5- after a 3am get-in, if the client provides bacon sandwiches do not ask what is the vegetarian option is Speaking as a veggie technician, not only do I expect one, it also appears in my freelance contract that veggie food will be needed. I am not a fussy eater, but its not too much to expect an egg sandwich or something to be provided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Pearce Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Another happy SLLET 'customer' here! 6 years since I was doing the tours and making my decisions. Happy to offer opinions and advice by PM. Just to be fair, "other courses are available". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Jelfs Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Can I make a request that would prevent sniping in this topic? As the academic institutions will be issuing student contracts this coming year whereby the institution will set out what is expected of students and what students should expect from the institution, would it not be a good idea for some sort of topic/wiki/announcement to be set up where these statements could be read by the growing numbers wanting to choose a place of study? I wonder whether it would be worth having individual topics in this forum for each of the institutions / courses. And only allowing discussion relating to that course. That way if someone has a question about the Derby course, it can be answered in that topic, like wise for Glamorgan etc, but we can hopefully avoid any sniping at other courses (not that I have seen any here, but I can see how it could be all to easy to occur.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam L F Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Hey Charlie, Although a lecturer of mine has summed up the course quite well, I thought it would be nice for you to get a students view also, no harm eh? I’m currently studying Lighting Design & Technology at Glamorgan Uni, I haven’t come from a very academic background rather than choosing to do A Levels I decided it would benefit me to study a Btec in Production Arts and choose my options from there, Glam were very welcoming and have assisted me with my academic studies and thankfully I’ve got into my second year, horray! Even after completing my first year I’ve been working with a few companies during my time off, I really dislike the idea of working in a bar while studying an industry related course as I feel that you’ll never learn EVERYTHING you need to know from university, might as well get out there and get hands on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy jim Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 A present SLLET customer here, going into second year in September- more than happy to answer any questions via PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Coker Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 A present SLLET customer... Generally, I think "undergraduate" is the proper term. KC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Jelfs Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 I do hate the term customer when in fact they mean student. Derby seemed to like it though, what with the "Customer Information Services" to go along with the "Learning Centre" (a.k.a. The library). I suppose it was to make the students feel more involved, and to make it seem as if they are paying for a service, but to me it reeks of the commercialisation of universities. In my book, you are a pupil at school level, and a student at university, be it undergraduate or otherwise. You are at a university to study (one hopes) not to buy knowledge as a customer would imply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerry davies Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Customer or consumer is definitely the correct word. You are purchasing something from a commercial establishment nowadays. It is all about income streams and bums on seats. You are just olde fashioned Sam, get with the programme, or whatever todays sales and marketing jargon is. Just off to check the bus pass.muttermutter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior8 Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Customer or consumer is definitely the correct word. You are purchasing something from a commercial establishment nowadays. It is all about income streams and bums on seats. Always were customers - it's just that it wasn't the student paying directly at the time. Having said that after some of the horror stories of Masters 'supervision' I've heard recently (not in our subject area I hasten to add) it's about time some customers started demanding value for their money! At the moment some institutions seem to think it's wonderful being able to charge what they like - they won't think it's so marvelous ten years down the line when the customers have demanded and got increased productivity.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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