where shall I?...

[randomgirlie]

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Howdy y'all...

 

Just a quickie- as they so often are :) - just wondering if anyone knows where are the best places to go for ropes trainin'... The thing is.. alot of places wont let you get on a ladder if youre not carded... but alot of places dont care if you have experience... problem is... you need to be carded to get enough experience for them not to care... see my problem?

 

I have experience but no card and not enough experience to not need a card even though Im entirely capable of doing it...........

So, any ideas?

 

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[Rob]

That kind of depends on what exactly you mean by "ropes training". You can do an IRATA course for rope access at places like the Castle Climbing Centre in London for about £500. If you mean training in the safe use of ladders and other simple access equipment, then the ABTT might cover it in one of their courses. Check out their site for more info.

[Guest lightnix]

E-mail or PM Blue Room member Chris Higgs, who organises rigging courses at Total Fabrications.

 

Alternatively, check out:

 

Safe Working Ltd.

Tel: +44 (0)7802 800963

Fax: +44 (0)1234 772272

www.safeworking.com

 

Both the above companies are founders of what is hoped will become the National Rigging Certificate.

 

AFAIK, while none of the courses they currently offer can make you truly "competent" or "qualified", they will offer evidence of training to employers / clients / H&S inspectors and are run by people with oodles of experience, who are dedicated to improving industry standards.

 

The ABTT do some courses, but I believe they are limited to counterweight and hemp flying.

[Chris Higgs]

Interesting how work at height and rigging/ropework training are so often lumped together.

Training-wise one needs to define rigging quite carefully.

In my view work at height training starts with 'do I need to work at height?'

Rigging is to do with lifting and suspension of stuff which may include work at height, and that work might include using PPE.

As all BRers must be aware by now, work that requires use of PPE is absolutely the last option to consider.

Sometimes it is the only way to work safely, but not always.

Ladder, tower and rope access training are all widely available.

Rigging training is only available on a regular basis from the two companies mentioned AFAIK.

Suppliers and trade associations often organise training sessions of some kind, and ABTT offer a range of good theatre rigging and flying courses.

[Guest lightnix]

Wise words as always, Chris.

Interesting how work at height and rigging/ropework training are so often lumped together.

I think this is because riggers are generally perceived as "people who climb" and therefore people who require rope access abilities as a part of their core skills.

 

The precise nature of the work involved in rigging and the exact skills / training required to do the job properly are still poorly understood by many in the business (myself included). We need more people like you, to help clear away the fog and raise awareness on these issues.

 

Randomgirlie's post at least demonstrates that some people are taking the need for training seriously and are taking active steps to seek it. We should be pleased about this and offer such people encouragement, even if what they actually need turns out to be different from what they first thought. Any honest-minded training provider should welcome these people and offer sound advice about what sort of training will best suit their professional requirements, even if they are unable to offer it themselves.

[Chris Hannam]

Wise words as always, Chris.

 

 

It's important to remember that a lot of other trades (other than riggers) work at height, they include pyro and laser crew, electricians and and stage and set builders.

 

I often find crews building temporary outdoor stages refereing to themselves (incorrectly) as riggers just because they work at height, rigging is a sperate and very specialist skill.

[Jivemaster]

Take it a step at a time, Read Chris Higgs books, look at short course through ABTT or your organisation. Simple manual access equipment ladders, towes and tallscopes is a good start. powered lifts and platforms a big step. Rope access is a very specialist skill, safe only if very well planned and executed. Rigging involves all forms of access and the ability to design, read drawings and do and certify all the calculations. Work at height involves work positioning and fall restraint and recovery training and equipment.

[jexjexjex]

For what it's worth, I did a two day course through Lifting Gear Hire.

 

They've got depots everywhere (ish!) so it might be worth trying them.

 

With any luck their link is here. From the Rational Rigging Certificate web page, the course works out at at about Level 1, with some Level 2 things thrown in.

 

All I need now are some signed off hours - Gisa job... :)

[Tom]

From the Rational Rigging Certificate web page, the course works out at at about Level 1, with some Level 2 things thrown in.

 

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I think that should have read National Rigging Certificate, info about which can be found here

[Bryson]

I would have thought that an Irrational Rigging Certificate would be somewhat interesting...:)

 

"But I demand to rig this two ton truss from that pigeon! Here's my Irrational Rigging Certificate!"

[randomgirlie]

I just wrote a big final reply to say thankyou and that Id found a course to get carded with... I made it funny and it involved an amusing pigeon story but my computer crashed and I lost it......

 

 

 

 

So, this is what ya get... Entertaining hu?

 

 

Well, I did my best....

 

A man goes to the doctors and says "doctor doctor, me no feel well"... Doctor says " when I dont feel well, I have sex with my wife and rest"... The man comes back days later... " Doctor, me feel better, you have a lovely house"