erik10_4 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Evening All, Next show is a Old fashioned Music Hall with the normal variety of song, comedy and specialist acts. The LD (a grandiose title for the wife!) has asked for a mystical effect for, yes you guessed it, the Mystic act. Don't anyone dare suggesting smoke machines etc.; we are simply talking about colour ;) . Can anyone suggest the most appropriate colour gel for 'a mystical effect' ? Thanks in anticipation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekij Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Strong green makes people look ill but it might be appropriate for a mystic effect. Strong green from one side and a strong Magenta from the other? Up-light from just under the chin (like you did with a torch [I nearly said "flashlight" I've been in the USA too long!] when you were telling ghost stories as a child). It depends how twee you want to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvi675 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 Lee 707 ultimate violet and 735 velvet green looked quite cool as uplight for a ghost scene I did once. Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamtastic3 Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 L071 - Tokyo Blue That in itself is a mystical colour! A must for backlight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Some Bloke Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 Draft definition: Lighting Designer - A person who designs lighting. More specifically, and especially relevant to standard ways of working in the theatre world, someone who specifies the type of lighting source, it's direction, colour and intensity in each lighting state. As a professional lighting designer myself I rather take exception to someone who "asks for a mystical effect" being called an LD. Sorry, but it's like someone who buys shares in BT calling themselves an investment banker. The director might ask for a mystical effect and the LD would turn that into reality using their experience and knowledge. [/rant] No offence intended, just picking you up on choice of words. Getting back to your question: Is the mystic male or female?Is there any set?What is the background?Does he/she use any props?Do they move around or are they fixed?What exactly will they be doing/talking about?What equipment is available?What is the size of the stage?What lighting positions are available?What has happened immediately before?Are there any other states that this one has to contrast with?Is there any overall feel you're giving to the event as a whole?What will he/she be wearing?What colour will that be?What colour hair has he (to help pick backlight colour)?What colour stock is available?Will you be forced/expected to use follow-spot?All of the above, and more, will help you decide on how to light the scene. For a glib answer, turning the blue gobos in 4 Mac250s, 2 from the sides and 2 from behind with a pair of narrow angle birdies screwed to the front of the stage will give you a mystical look. It might not be right for the piece, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekij Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 And a very important one that we didn't touch on (probably for fear of being non PC)What's their skin colour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik10_4 Posted August 3, 2007 Author Share Posted August 3, 2007 Draft definition: Lighting Designer - A person who designs lighting. More specifically, and especially relevant to standard ways of working in the theatre world, someone who specifies the type of lighting source, it's direction, colour and intensity in each lighting state. As a professional lighting designer myself I rather take exception to someone who "asks for a mystical effect" being called an LD. :( I didn't set out to offend anyone but I suppose to professionals this kind of thing is important. Serious question :- is there also a technical difference between a lighting Designer and a Lighting Director (which is what I abbreviated to LD) ? Lets be honest this is very amatuer dramatics in a village hall for charity. My wife sees herself as the Director of everything including Life! (sorry Viv). I won't try to answer all the questions posed as the term very amateur dramatics probably gives you all the picture. Basically there is a very small (16ft x 9ft) stage (staging blocks) with little in the way of set (plain backdrop) and minimal props (in this case a chair). There 'Mystic' is a Caucasian female and lighting (from stands) can only be achieved, because of hall constraints, from right of stage and FOH. Pathetic as this may sound to people in the industry, it gives loads of 'first time opportunity' to the very old and very young in the community and has raised a lot of money for charity. Many thanks for the helpful suggestions. I like the sound of Green and Violet and will experiment with those. L071 - Tokyo Blue back-light is interesting. It depends how twee you want to be. Love it! Believe me 'Twee' is Viv's middle name! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 is there also a technical difference between a lighting Designer and a Lighting Director?Depends where you're coming from. In theatre and corporate work, the person who determines how a production is lit is the lighting designer. In television, that person is the lighting director. In the world of large-scale concert touring, a show might be originally lit by a lighting designer who, if they then have other commitments, might hand the production over to a lighting director who's responsible for overseeing the recreation of the lighting on tour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik10_4 Posted August 3, 2007 Author Share Posted August 3, 2007 Depends where you're coming from. In theatre and corporate work, the person who determines how a production is lit is the lighting designer. In television, that person is the lighting director. In the world of large-scale concert touring, a show might be originally lit by a lighting designer who, if they then have other commitments, might hand the production over to a lighting director who's responsible for overseeing the recreation of the lighting on tour. Thanks Gareth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Some Bloke Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 :) I didn't set out to offend anyone but I suppose to professionals this kind of thing is important. No offence taken. I just felt the need to point out how words can be mis-used sometimes. ... Pathetic as this may sound to people in the industry...Not at all. We all have to work with what we're given. LDs rarely work only in one place and we find some venues more of a "challenge" than others! ...it gives loads of 'first time opportunity' to the very old and very young in the community and has raised a lot of money for charity.A lot of us started in school and amateur productions and I still light (albeit professionally now) for a lot of amateur companies. If you manage to enjoy what you do and give money to charity then you're doing a great job. Maybe you could use the fact that you can only get sidelight from one side and use a special from SR plus something (anything) small on the front of the stage as a footlight SL. These two angles together (without FOH) could give a very nice mystical light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik10_4 Posted August 10, 2007 Author Share Posted August 10, 2007 I've looked through previous posts for information on 230V GU-10 (50W) and though I found a few topics on GU-10 lamps I haven't been able to get a clear answer . The simple question is....would it be possible to dim one of these using a standard dimmer rack (not DMX)? Edit: Perhaps seems a bit off topic but was working on the suggestion "Maybe you could use the fact that you can only get sidelight from one side and use a special from SR plus something (anything) small on the front of the stage as a footlight SL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekij Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 would it be possible to dim one of theseYes. using a standard dimmer rack (not DMX)?I'm not entirely sure what you mean but I'm struggling to think of a dimmer that couldn't dim a 50W Par16 so it doesn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik10_4 Posted August 10, 2007 Author Share Posted August 10, 2007 I'm not entirely sure what you mean but I'm struggling to think of a dimmer that couldn't dim a 50W Par16 so it doesn't matter. Sorry about that, I simply meant something like a Zero88 Betapack1 or a Pulsar rack....but perfect answer anyway.. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boatman Posted August 10, 2007 Share Posted August 10, 2007 I've looked through previous posts for information on 230V GU-10 (50W) and though I found a few topics on GU-10 lamps I haven't been able to get a clear answer . The simple question is....would it be possible to dim one of these using a standard dimmer rack (not DMX)? Edit: Perhaps seems a bit off topic but was working on the suggestion "Maybe you could use the fact that you can only get sidelight from one side and use a special from SR plus something (anything) small on the front of the stage as a footlight SL. Invest in a couple of Birdies. You'll also need a couple of 10 degree spots. You can hide these at floor level for a really good mystic effect. I used several in the design for Jack The Ripper a few months ago. You may find that only 50W is a small load for a 2.4kW dimmer and won't track very well. Parallel it up with a heavier load and it will be fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik10_4 Posted August 10, 2007 Author Share Posted August 10, 2007 Just looking at a pdf for the Eurolite Par 16 (for GU10 lamps) which says (on page 16) "In general, lighting effects should not be connected to dimming-packs." . This seems to question the promising information given so far? You may find that only 50W is a small load for a 2.4kW dimmer and won't track very well. Parallel it up with a heavier load and it will be fine This could work very well with what I now have in mind . Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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