brownstuff Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 does any one know if you get a bad sound from running XLR signal over cat 5 ?as I have some 100m cable runs to do and its like 1000 times cheeper that mic cable.jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Si Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 We have a 30mtr multicore at church which (before my time) was made from network cable, however, I think it is PTP (Partially-Screened Twisted Pair) as some of the channels don't work. When we try using phantom, 2 or 3 channels crackle, so that's no good. But other churches with similar multi's (made by the same guy) seem to be ok. I wouldn't choose it by any means, but it sounds fine over the shorter distance at least. I know it's not 100mtrs, but hey, I hope it helps in some way. :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackerr Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 does any one know if you get a bad sound from running XLR signal over cat 5 ?as I have some 100m cable runs to do and its like 1000 times cheeper that mic cable.jasonIt depends on what you mean by "XLR signal." If you are talking about mic level signals, you should be sure to use real shielded twisted pair like mic cable.If you are talking about balanced line level, you should be fine as long as you connect pins 2 and 3 to to one of the 4 twisted pairs in the CAT5. Because of it's tight and controlled twist, CAT5 has very good noise rejection, and line level should be fine without the shielding of mic cable. Do not pick arbitrary wires in the CAT5, it must be one of the 4 pairs. Mac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Lewis Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Mac is spot on... Much of the noise rejection in audio systems is achieved through balanced circuits and twisted pair cable. The screen part is effective against RF (subject to various conditions being met). It is quite possible to use CAT5 for line level work, but passing 48V for mics needs a return 0V path. Obviously, the other benefits of mic or multicore cable (handleability, low noise construction, cotton fillers, low temp jackets, stranded flexible conductors, ease of termination etc., etc.) may mean that we don't rush out and rewire our systems with network cable! For further details, have a look at Tony Waldron's excellent site! Quite technical in parts, but you'll start to understand the problems.... Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Does any one know if you get a bad sound from running XLR signal over Cat5?I have some 100m cable runs to do and it's 1000 times cheaper that mic cable. Not only do Cat5 and Mic cable have a completely different price, they also have a completely different application. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich newby Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Yep exactly, Like wiring your house with bell wire. What gig are you doing that requires 100m cable, but is on a really really tight budget? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbsy Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Are we talking a permanent install here? There are lots of cables designed for audio use but much cheaper than microphone cable (which has to be specifically rugged, flexible and "non-kinky"). These are much cheaper than mic cable and more suitable than Cat 5. A bit more about your application maybe? Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbuckley Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 It doesnt come across from the above posts: you can use all four pairs in a cat5 for line level audio simultaneously, you can also use pairs out of ethernet or telecoms circuits for line audio, but this requires a bit of care to ensure that its physically wired correctly! But you have to have a twisted pair!!! Random cores will be terrible... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Pearce Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 That site Simon posted is very good. Hurts my head tho... Definitely worth a read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chubby Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 We sometimes use Balum boxes to transmit stereo line level audio down a CAT 5 cable. We have sucessfully run audio down 300m of cable using this boxes which we brought from canford audio. You can also run video down using these boxes but I haven't ever tried this so can't coment on the performance but for line level audio they proved very usefull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertnisbet Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 Audio over cat5 is fine. Audio has a bandwidth of 20kHz, cat5's bandwidth is 100MHz.Cat5's inherent impedance is 100ohms +/- 15%, however, this is of little consequence in this application.The extremely accurate twist in cat5 should reject the majority of noise. If you use a screened cat5 (STP) type cable, you could use the screen as a return for phantom power. I'm in the process of writing my dissertation on audio over cat5, and can supply you with references for these figures, plus real world examples of analogue or digital audio and video being sent via cat5, should you really wish to see them. So in essence, yes, audio over Cat5 is not only possible, its very much emerging technology and in some work (installation especially) has the power to revolutionise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Lewis Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 So you must have Sam Wise's paper on this subject? ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertnisbet Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 Simon: Thats not one I've come across yet - could you provide a link? Just for the record, as part of this project I'm building a self-mix monitor system, with analogue I/P and O/P, and some signal processing in DSP in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diarmuid Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 Hiya,Has anyone had any experience using CAT5 cable for mic lines?Because, I am trying to install all the mic lines, video runs and Cans for a prompt desk that is being built, and wondered whether it would pick up a lot of interference as the cable, doesnt have a shield. Or at least I dont think it has one. Thanks Diarmuid - unnecessary new topic merged with almost-identical old one. Please use the search function before posting a question to ensure it hasn't been asked before. It's all in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beanzy Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 I'd rather get the mics to line level with a local pre-amp first, then use something like PSN20 or 40 to do a run between krone blocks to do your 'trunk' and hook up locally to that using FST. You'll get stacks of interference and attenuation on the poor old mic signal if you try to send that over the distance on small wires. What kind of budget are you looking at for the hardware? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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