nunny Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Last year we had a rack with 2 x paradime patch dimmers in which seems to have left a hole in the hire stock for compact patchable hot / dim distro, we looked at getting the Avo cube, but the no patching availability rules that out, then there is the T2, which I feel is very overpriced and has a lot of stuff on we wouldn't need. Does anyone have any good solutions to bring socapex into a compact unit giving 12 channels of dim and 12 channels of hot without the need for a major custom build? It's a shame light processor have ceased production of the patch dimmers, they are such an amazing versatile unit. Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Pearce Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 I have seen people using powercubes with tail outs and tail ins to create a patch - it's not the prettiest solution though... I imagine it wouldn't be too hard to create a rack with socas in and out on the back with a patchbay on the front? Obviously an all in one unit would be preferable, but if you get stuck it's an idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nunny Posted June 19, 2016 Author Share Posted June 19, 2016 Thanks for this. I did think about that, it would just turn it into quite a big unit.. Beauty of the patch dimmers, you can stick / hide them in most places and saves a lot of hardware. All in a 3u rack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte_R Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Could you go with the smallest ART2000 unit? Exactly the same dimmers but with the patching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Coker Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 http://www.lsclighting.com/products/dimmers/e24-touringJust used one of these. Excellent unit, 24 ways and no idea what they cost....KC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyld Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 As Jon says, a patch can be bodged using fan ins / outs but it's a mess. What do need a hard patch for exactly? Dims and hot down 1 soca? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nunny Posted June 20, 2016 Author Share Posted June 20, 2016 Could you go with the smallest ART2000 unit? Exactly the same dimmers but with the patching. we do have an art 2k rack, they are an amazing piece of kit, just not compact enough for what we need. As Jon says, a patch can be bodged using fan ins / outs but it's a mess. What do need a hard patch for exactly? Dims and hot down 1 soca? we often have smaller events where its a lot easier to split dim / hot down a soca, ideal world would to be use a cube, and not split, but we dont live in an ideal world :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timsabre Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 As Jon says, a patch can be bodged using fan ins / outs but it's a mess. What do need a hard patch for exactly? Dims and hot down 1 soca? we often have smaller events where its a lot easier to split dim / hot down a soca, ideal world would to be use a cube, and not split, but we dont live in an ideal world :) You can send hot power down some channels by switching the appropriate channels to "always on" mode on the dim curve menu. Obviously that takes up a dimmer channel and can make the dimmer patch a bit random to deal with the missing channels, but it works. edit -- just checked the manual and it doesn't have an "always on" setting... however I'm sure I have done that before. Maybe it wasn't an avo rack. Confused now, but anyway ignore my post as it's not correct. I guess you could use preheat set to 100% instead but it's a bit of a bodge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart91 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 As Jon says, a patch can be bodged using fan ins / outs but it's a mess. Could you build / manufacture a slightly more elegant unit? E.g. a case with socapex tails for input, output sockets, and sockets/inlets for the patch leads on the top? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landy Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 As Jon says, a patch can be bodged using fan ins / outs but it's a mess. What do need a hard patch for exactly? Dims and hot down 1 soca? we often have smaller events where its a lot easier to split dim / hot down a soca, ideal world would to be use a cube, and not split, but we dont live in an ideal world :) You can send hot power down some channels by switching the appropriate channels to "always on" mode on the dim curve menu. Obviously that takes up a dimmer channel and can make the dimmer patch a bit random to deal with the missing channels, but it works. edit -- just checked the manual and it doesn't have an "always on" setting... however I'm sure I have done that before. Maybe it wasn't an avo rack. Confused now, but anyway ignore my post as it's not correct. I guess you could use preheat set to 100% instead but it's a bit of a bodge. The LSC GenVI is switch able between Hot and Dim per channel, done via relays so no electronics to fry, 12 Channels per dimmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alistermorton Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 The LSC GenVI is switch able between Hot and Dim per channel, done via relays so no electronics to fry, 12 Channels per dimmer. One of the options we are considering to replace our slowly failing SLD96 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.elsbury Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Jands HPC also has relays for a true bypass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalljoshua Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Look at GSL power in Exeter. Gary worked on the old FD racks and makes a few units that meet your requirements. Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyb Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 I second the suggestion of lsc racks. We have put a couple of these into hire to replace subs paradigm touring racks. http://www.enlightenedlighting.co.uk/hire/lighting/dimming/lsc-e24v3 So far they are proving very good. Can't remember the price, but substantially more cost effective than Avo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nunny Posted June 29, 2016 Author Share Posted June 29, 2016 Hi there, Does anybody know the UK supplier for the LSC dimmers? Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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