Marineboy63 Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I'm looking for a desk to operate our Selecon LED profiles and Fresnels. They are going in an off site drama studio used by unskilled, unsupervised drama students. It's needs enough complexity for them to get good use of the colour mixing etc. but simple enough that they can fade up and down up to 12 fixtures without programming and without endless phone calls saying "It's not working". any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musht Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Jands CL? http://jands.com/stage-cl/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p.k.roberts Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I think I'd taking a good look at the Jands Stage CL; I've only had a quick play with it, but it seems like a good contender for your application. E2A: too slow again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musht Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 snap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkPAman Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I've got a Jands Stage CL which is probably the sort of thing you want. Though if somebody decides to "play" with it, I don't think you can make it fool proof, but you can have saved shows to start from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marineboy63 Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 Jands CL looks good. Maybe I overstated the description of the rooms. They're less drama studios and more rehearsal rooms.The lighting is basically four lots of three lanterns on T bars. Up, down, bit of colour. Then walk away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benniferj Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I hate to suggest it from a cheaper brand but this would do. http://www.chauvetlighting.co.uk/obey-70.html Simple and easy, you can over-ride a fixture incredibly simply or create some basic preset scenes of useful combinations. Dirty cheap and would do the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulears Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Nice, but surely still too complicated and full of buttons that may as well be labelled "help - telephone....." I've been looking for something very simple for a while now for one client, and ideally he just wants 12 faders that do RGBRGBRGBRGB and work four different types of light, all set to the same DMX. Sure, on the clever controls you can map pretty well anything to a fader, but the cost is too high and the features you paid for, hardly touched. In fact, for many uses, something simple that just let you map a DMX channel to a fader would be fine. Everything is just designed to do so much, that simple has been forgotten. I'm smiling imagining drama students away from site, in a room, unsupervised. They'll probably leave the door open and your problem will go away because somebody will nick the kit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timsabre Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I hate to suggest it from a cheaper brand but this would do. http://www.chauvetli...uk/obey-70.html Simple and easy, you can over-ride a fixture incredibly simply or create some basic preset scenes of useful combinations. Dirty cheap and would do the job. Um, I'm testing stuff with one of those sat on my desk right now and I think it would be confusing to operate for the uninitiated. It always powers up in blackout so moving the faders does nothing, and it doesn't hold the state when you switch to a different bank of faders (a different fixture button). Also channels 15+16 and 31+32 are on a weird joystick instead of faders.The refresh rate on the faders is very slow too, so you get stepping as you move the fader up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marineboy63 Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 Nice, but surely still too complicated and full of buttons that may as well be labelled "help - telephone....." I've been looking for something very simple for a while now for one client, and ideally he just wants 12 faders that do RGBRGBRGBRGB and work four different types of light, all set to the same DMX. Sure, on the clever controls you can map pretty well anything to a fader, but the cost is too high and the features you paid for, hardly touched. In fact, for many uses, something simple that just let you map a DMX channel to a fader would be fine. Everything is just designed to do so much, that simple has been forgotten. I'm smiling imagining drama students away from site, in a room, unsupervised. They'll probably leave the door open and your problem will go away because somebody will nick the kit! Luckily the building is secure(ish) but the rest of your post is spot on. I guess it's early days for LED fixtures. They're not generic and they're not movers. They need a new type of controller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley R Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 isnt there a 12ch stairville or similar bog OEM controller that is just a bigger version of the drive6? Drive6 having 6 faders and a master, if you fix the master to full, then no matter what they push something will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alistermorton Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 is this the sort of thing you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marineboy63 Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 is this the sort of thing you mean? Almost. Needs to control 12 fixtures and only use the parameters RGB and W so it needs to patch as well. If it had pages and patches that would do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alistermorton Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 is this the sort of thing you mean? Almost. Needs to control 12 fixtures and only use the parameters RGB and W so it needs to patch as well. If it had pages and patches that would do. I was thinking more that it matched what Ashley R was describing. I agree, it doesn't tick the boxes for your requirement. Isn't this sort of application area that something like a Jester ML is aimed at, or do you think even that would be too complicated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulears Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 For a while, I toyed with the idea of a really cheap 1 to 1 controller, and then cutting off the faders for the things that need to be preset, leaving just the RGBW - using 2 12 channel ones to get 4 different types of fixture. A venue I look after occasionally had a 24 fader panel, feeding 4 6 channel dimmer racks but they now have some LEDs and the magicq they use for the clever lights is too much for the function people who just want bar, table and display lights on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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