salmon52 Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Hi All, I'm working on a pantomime and having had problems with the venues antiquated lighting desk have hired a leapfrog. The pantomime lot want to use some LED parcans and other disco effect stuff which all work on DMX, HOWEVER, I can't find them in the fixtures library and am having problems creating the fixtures myself. Is anyone able to help either with creating the fixtures or suggesting a fixture already in the library that would work? The fixtures are Visage VIS034 (7x8W 4 in 1 LED flat black PAR) and Visage VIS067 (LED Sputnik1) Thanks in advance. Salmon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niclights Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 If you can post channel mappings I might be able to give you some alternatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmon52 Posted December 13, 2013 Author Share Posted December 13, 2013 Thanks for the response! The VIS034 DMX listings are channel 1: RGBW dimmer, channel 2: red dimmer, channel 3: green dimmer, channel 4; blue dimmer, channel 5: white dimmer, channel 6: strobe etc, channel 7: speed (corresponds with channel 6) The VIS067 DMX listings are channel 1: strobe, channel 2: blue, channel 3: green, channel 4: red, channel 5: left and right direction, channel 6: built in program/sound active. Cheers! Salmon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niclights Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Tricky. Using a query on the Avolites database there are no matches to either mapping. There are a handful that come close to the VIS034 where just channel 7 is different. However, these are all very obscure and it is highly unlikely the Leapfrog will have them. Instead my suggestion would be to patch 6ch fixtures (dimmer/red/green/blue/white/shutter) leaving gaps for the 7th channel. If you find that the response speed of the fixture is a problem then just patch dimmers for the speed channel and set them all to the same value as required. I don't know what is available in the Leapfrog but here are some alternatives that have dimmer/red/green/blue/white/shutter: Chauvet COLORado 1 Tour/COLORado 3P Tour/COLORado 2 Tour/COLORado 1 IP/COLORado 2 ZoomTour/COLORado 2/COLORado 2 IP/COLORado 1 Quad Tour/COLORado Deco Quad-1 Tour (all ARC2+S mode)Showtec Spectral M1000 Tour Q4/Spectral 2500 Zoom/Spectral M4000/Spectral 300 Q4 (all ARC2+S again)BriteQ Micro Beamer RGBWMega Lite Arc 90Prolight ARCLED7348 (ARC2S)Prolights ARCLED7361ZoomProlights ARC7337Z (ARC2S)Silver Star YG LED 321W (ARC2S)Silver Star YG-LED318XW (ARC2+S)Livegear Boxer (AR2S)Stagg King Par 2 (ARC2+S) Note that if the Leapfrog has ranges defined for shutter then they might not all match - I haven't checked. However, given that they pretty much all have identical mode names chances are they are all exactly the same. These are very common. Presumably made under some sort of licence. The main issue with the VIS067 is the 'left and right direction' bit. Even if we change 'strobe' to 'dimmer', drop the macros on ch6 and use a standard red/green/blue order (which is almost certainly how it is anyway) I'm not sure what you do about the fifth channel. There are countless 4ch dimmer,red,green,blue options out there. If the Chauvet fixtures are available then ARC1+D is your mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floydey Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Email jon.hole@cooperindustries.com - they should be able to create a profile from the fixture information. The Zero88 website did have a software tool for creating your own fixture profile but I can't seem to find it. There is, however, a link to download the latest fixture profiles Link Hope this helps Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhole Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Hi Salmon, Doesn't look like I can upload files directly to this forum, but here's a link of the two fixture profiles you require: https://www.hightail.com/download/elNJclVKMHdiV3cxZXNUQw If there's anything else we can do to help, just let me know. Hope panto production week goes well! Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmon52 Posted December 13, 2013 Author Share Posted December 13, 2013 Cheers all! We're having to work around cinema showings too (gotta love multi function spaces, right?!) so don't have access til the morning but looking forward to getting things to talk to one another. Salmon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhole Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 No problems - the office will be closed tomorrow but if you have any problems, just call me on my mobile (number in signature below) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robtaylor Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Hi All, I'm having problems with one of these fixtures- the Visage 034. Both with the profiles I have created and the ones Jon kindly uploaded the fixtures are intermittently flashing, even with the strobe set to 0. I have tried different desks, different DMX cables and a number of 034's and the problem still arises. Any ideas? Cheers, Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomscott Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 When you say 034, that wouldn't be an IP66 LED bar by any chance? I've got 6 that do something similar, just flash at random every now and then. Its not normally a problem for us as we only use them for uplighting walls and they are on constantly. Sorry this isn't much help, we just accept it. I assume its the actual fixture as they do it on different desks and cables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robtaylor Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 No, they're just single units but yeah sounds like the same problem - it only happens once they've been patched in to the desk though...when they have no DMX they seem to be fine... Cheers, Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhole Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 I have tried different desks Hi Rob, which other consoles have you tried this on? Were they all Z88 consoles? Do you get the problem if you set the DMX address to 1 and just control it using channel faders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robtaylor Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Hi Jon, Yeah I've tried a Leapfrog, a Jester & a Solution desk. I did try patching it to faders but the same thing happened - on all 12 fixtures. Cheers, Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhole Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Are they flashing all channels to full (white) or are they actually cutting out (all to 0)? Sounds like the problem lies within the fixture rather than the console (and I'm not just saying that because I work for Zero!). If it's happening to multiple units, and only when plugged into DMX, it could be that they don't perform to DMX Spec and are having issues with the DMX timings that they are receiving. Best to talk to the guys at Batmink, who run all the support for Visage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robtaylor Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Hi Jon, yeah they're cutting out - all at random times, Like a flickering effect. We've justo spoken to Batmink(who supplied the fixtures) but there was only a guy from accounts in - he insisted there's no problem with that model but I'm finding that difficult to believe! Thanks for your help anyway, I guess I'm stuck with a half working rig until the new year! Cheers, Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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