kurzweil_dude Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Has anyone successfully gone from mixing/working with Rock to orchestras? Been thinking recently I want to try start working noise (in particular the idea of monis for orchestra intrigues me - although Im not one of those desk-happy "I must mix"-people) on some orchestral gigs, not sure how exactly. In my corporate work Ive done a bit and really enjoyed it. The only way I can see the route is to try get in touch with some venues that house shows, such as Liverpool Philharmonic etc (I'm based in the north west). Any suggestions/horror stories/etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImagineerTom Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 erm, I'm not so sure orchestra's have much need for mixing in their day-to-day gigs...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timsabre Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 You'd be better looking for outdoor "last night of the proms" type concerts which usually involve fully miked orchestras. Obviously we're getting towards the end of the season for those for this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRW Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 erm, I'm not so sure orchestra's have much need for mixing in their day-to-day gigs...... + 1. Most MDs/Conductors of orchestras that I've worked with only ever really ask for ambient mic'ing, if that, especially in theatres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilflet Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 in particular the idea of monis for orchestra intrigues me Even when you do individually mic an orchestra they dont tend to get monitors.They dont need to know what other people are playing, they follow the conductor.If your doing the rock band with an orchestra type show then the conductor will almost certainly have a mix, but even then orchestra monitors are an optional nicety Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Even on this show... ...which has used a fairly sizeable Martin MLA PA system, there is no monitoring for the orchestra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Pearce Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 If you want to work on orchestral gigs the ability to read score and understand the sections and layout(s) of an orchestra are all very desirable skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurzweil_dude Posted September 13, 2013 Author Share Posted September 13, 2013 Even on this show... ...which has used a fairly sizeable Martin MLA PA system, there is no monitoring for the orchestra. Ah cool. I know Sound By Design who pretty much look after RAH do monis there. If you want to work on orchestral gigs the ability to read score and understand the sections and layout(s) of an orchestra are all very desirable skills. Good job I studied Music up to A Level :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Pearce Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Music A level will stand you well in this sort of work, being able to speak with the musicians in their language can make the job easier and make it easier for them to trust you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Ah cool. I know Sound By Design who pretty much look after RAH do monis there.That's not an SBD show, it's usually R G Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurzweil_dude Posted September 13, 2013 Author Share Posted September 13, 2013 Ah cool. I know Sound By Design who pretty much look after RAH do monis there.That's not an SBD show, it's usually R G Jones. Is this a recent thing? Im pretty sure it used to be at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Is this a recent thing? Im pretty sure it used to be at least SBD are still, AFAIK, the 'tame' PA company for the Hall. However, RG have been doing Class Spec for a long while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappie Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 SBD are still, AFAIK, the 'tame' PA company for the Hall. However, RG have been doing Class Spec for a long while.Not sure I appreciate the "tame" reference, but you're correct in that Sound By Design hold the contract for the provision of in-house audio at the RAH and that Classical Spectacular is an RG Jones show. Monitoring for orchestras does happen, but not usually for a standard classical piece. It can be used, for example, when there is a mixture of orchestra and "other" instruments, be it a vocalist, a band or other fusion of styles. It can also come into play when the orchestra is very large, TV are involved or the musicians need to follow a click. Combinations of regular wedges, small hot-spot type speakers and IEMs are all used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurzweil_dude Posted September 13, 2013 Author Share Posted September 13, 2013 SBD are still, AFAIK, the 'tame' PA company for the Hall. However, RG have been doing Class Spec for a long while.Not sure I appreciate the "tame" reference, but you're correct in that Sound By Design hold the contract for the provision of in-house audio at the RAH and that Classical Spectacular is an RG Jones show. Monitoring for orchestras does happen, but not usually for a standard classical piece. It can be used, for example, when there is a mixture of orchestra and "other" instruments, be it a vocalist, a band or other fusion of styles. It can also come into play when the orchestra is very large, TV are involved or the musicians need to follow a click. Combinations of regular wedges, small hot-spot type speakers and IEMs are all used. Best response yet, thanks! Glad I was right with some of my knowledge and assumptions. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jivemaster Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 See what scores you can find (hint free scores on line) and try to find some that you can get a video for. Then try to follow the score to an orchestra. Learn classical music speak, read all about it, it really does make the players more comfortable and co-operative. Yes the usual orchestras have their usual venues where they will play LIVE and unaided. Once outdoors sometimes some help with level and crowd coverage is used. Maybe you need to look at the outdoor concert promotion companies. My local park has a 4 day concert season -Jazz, Afro-carib, heavy asian, and the RPO -now finding a system that suits all of those for 5K + people each time must take thought and skill. I used to see the name of a fellow music college student crop up often as sound for BBC big concerts -he was a very good instrumentalist and a good technician. A Level especially if it's a while ago may not be much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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