Grahame Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 Just heard of an accident this afternoon during the Pavilion's matinee of Jack & the Beanstalk, where something went wrong with the beanstalk mechanism, and Wee Jimmy Krankie and fellow cast member Gary Hollywood fell about 20ft. from the top, sustaining head injuries. Both said to be 'stable'. This evening's show has been cancelled.See bbc news. I don't know much more about this yet (I'm just round the corner at Theatre Royal), but I understand that the beanstalk mechanism is based on an American imported hydraulic 'ribbon lift' that has not been seen in this country before. Will post more if I find out any details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketil B Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 A bit more info on ribbon lifts at http://www.ribbonlift.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 According to Ceefax, it was a 10 foot fall. Mind you, I suppose a 10 foot fall for Jimmy Krankie is about the same as a 20 foot fall for anyone else :) Apparently tonights show is cancelled, and the audience at this afternoon's show got refunds. 2 people in hospital, neither believed to be seriously injured, A couple of weeks ago, this show had more adverse publicity - the beanstalk, specially imported from America, failed to operate, and the opening nights performance was cancelled. Bruce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grahame Posted December 15, 2004 Author Share Posted December 15, 2004 Thanks for the web link, Ketil. I think I've seen one of these lifts in use at a rock gig in Germany - looks an impressive bit of kit, but I can't help wondering about its lateral stability when extended. And do they adjust for uneven surfaces/raked stages? I know the Pavilion has a bit of a rake on it.Just saw an update on Reporting Scotland - Iain Gordon, Pavilion Manager, said that: "... the beanstalk went up to about 5 metres, and as it was coming down, around 10 feet, the beanstalk bent." Hmmm.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SceneMaster Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 How do these things actually work? I can’t see how the metal pole (which is in sections) comes out of the base. There must be stored in some clever way to all pull in line as they are being hoisted. Does the name ribbon lift mean anything (or what I should say, has got any relevance to do with the way it works)? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grahame Posted December 16, 2004 Author Share Posted December 16, 2004 Does the name ribbon lift mean anything (or what I should say, has got any relevance to do with the way it works)? There is an explanation on the website; basically it's three ribbon strips wrapped round each other like a clockwork spring, that are somehow persuaded to form into a triangular pillar with edges that 'zip' together. I think it was originally developed for the space program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the kid Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 So in some ways it can quite easily bend/snap it its only metal ribbon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew C Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 So in some ways it can quite easily bend/snap it its only metal ribbon. <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Have a look at Spiralift. Similar principle, but it won't break! I don't know how the "zip" on the ribbon lift works; has anyone got any info? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the kid Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 Have a look at Spiralift. Similar principle, but it won't break! I don't know how the "zip" on the ribbon lift works; has anyone got any info? This is what I first thought it was like, not the same but similar. From two pictures it looks like it is elongated dove tails, the wide ends (1-2inches) that interlock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grahame Posted December 18, 2004 Author Share Posted December 18, 2004 According to today's Super Soaraway Scottish Sun (admittedly not renowned for the veracity of its reporting), Ribbon Lift are now saying that the lifts are not designed for lifting people. Dave Pane of Ribbon lift said: "We certainly don't advertise it as a personnel lift as it's never been certified for that" This despite the pics on their website clearly showing it with people standing on top?? And it does say under 'construction industry' applications that it can be used as a man lift.... I can see this one is going to get very acrimonious :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightbulb789 Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 According to today's Super Soaraway Scottish Sun (admittedly not renowned for the veracity of its reporting), Ribbon Lift are now saying that the lifts are not designed for lifting people. Dave Pane of Ribbon lift said: "We certainly don't advertise it as a personnel lift as it's never been certified for that" This despite the pics on their website clearly showing it with people standing on top?? And it does say under 'construction industry' applications that it can be used as a man lift.... I can see this one is going to get very acrimonious ;)<{POST_SNAPBACK}> I was just about to say that sounds a bit weird. I also noticed it has people on the Ribbon lift on the website. I think someones trying to hide something :** laughs out loud **: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the kid Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 It's going to come up at some time. What will happen in the end will the Krankies' go away with nothing at all, or will they get it all? Will a big company go bust 'cause of a wee Krankies' fall? Ok so my very VERY poor attempt at a panto poem, but really what will happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 but really what will happen?<{POST_SNAPBACK}> According to today's "Sunday Mail" - wee jimmy krankie is going to be out of circulation for 6 months. (s)he "said beforehand she didn't like the crane". They are consulting with lawyers, but will have to finance any action themselves, as their equity membership has lapsed. It's in the Sunday Mail, so it must be true.... Bruce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilf dLampy Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 I seem to remember a ribbon lift (or something very similar) being used on the Orange "Enjoy music" tour a year or two ago. Very nice units, just make sure they don't extend past your ceiling height, they will bend themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomLyall Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 So, does anyone actually know what caused the fault? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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