lonfire Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 hi,I've been asked to jazz up a pub a bit and turn it into more of a bar/club type atmosphere.. I know what lights I want to use and how I'm going to set it up. however the main problem is how I'm going to fix the lights to the walls.. in one place I'm not going to have more than about 3 or 4 lights.. total weight not exceeding about 30 kg. the two options I've thought of was to put standoffs on the wall and hang the lights on scaf bars.. or to have a couple angle wall brackets and hang individual lights off them.. the building is partly listed to I will have to be careful what I drill into.. and part of it is just a studwork wall.. and another part is a brick outside wall.. any thoughts? also wheres a good place to source these sorts of fittings.. I want to see a good online shop with prices. and load weights.. etc with good delivery and stuff. don't want to be messing around thankschris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thcousins Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 Depends where you are based, but Flints in London (SE17) sell Pipe to wall brackets and Angle brackets. There are probably many other suppliers. I would certainly try and put pieces of scaff up (aluminium), it allows you to add kit later on, and move stuff if required. Can you also fix to the ceiling? One thing to remember is that you should get whatever you put up tested. I'm not sure exactly of the legal requirements, but you don't want to get sued if it all comes down on someone. As it's a pub, it is a public environment, so you loacl council District surveyors should be the place to start. If not, I'm sure they will point you in the right direction! On a final note, the max weight loading of any bracket is also dependent on the type of fixing used. In brick/concrete I would suggest Rawl Bolts, and in the studwork you'll need to find the timber supports and probably bridge them. Unless, of course, your lucky and they fall where you want to put all your gubbins. In the timber, a coach screw will probablt be your best bet. good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonfire Posted August 27, 2004 Author Share Posted August 27, 2004 hi,thanks for the info.. one thing I have thought about doing is this: if you imagine a room about 10 foot wide.. half way down the room on either side are pillars against the walls made of brick/stone or something.. its not studwork.. what I was thinking I could do was put one vertical scaf bar on the side of each pillar and fix them with small standoffs. then on the top of the scaf bars put a scaf fitting and put a cross beam between the two.. that way all the force is going down the scaf bars onto the floor rather than into a dodgy wall.. basicaly a scafold goalpost that is fixed to the side of the pillars with standoffs.. think that sounds ok? thankschris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulears Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 taking the weight on the floor is a very good way of doing this - the wall supports are then only loaded laterally. However, it will look dreadful. triangular truss always looks good, but your space seems small. Some councils also then treat the uprights as obstacles. I think you should start with the plans and try out various ideas first. As for hanging - if you are worried, simply tell the owner "you need this bracket fixing there..." get him to put it up (or get someone else to do it) that way you limit your responsibility - sometimes this works, but on a budget limited job they often just want you to do it...... up to you then! not a huge amount of help really......sorry.paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonfire Posted August 27, 2004 Author Share Posted August 27, 2004 hi,indeed.. the other thing I might be able todo is that across the top of these two pilars is a boxed section, which I think will either be a wood beam or I'm hoping it will be an RSJ.. the bit I'm working in is an extension to the original listed building.. so I may be lucky.. it would be soooo much better if I could use RSJ fittings and hang the bar off that.. would be a perfect solution.. rgdschris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 In brick/concrete I would suggest Rawl Bolts...Be careful. Rawlbolts are not suitable for all situations. They have a nasty habit of splitting bricks and blocks if used too close to the edge. Check with a specialist first. ...is a boxed section, which I think will either be a wood beam or I'm hoping it will be an RSJ...If it's an RSJ then you can't simply hack off some of the boxing. The boxing, likely to be a couple of layers of plasterboard or similar, is there to make sure the construction meets fire regulations. Expose the RSJ and you dramatically increase the risk of collapse in the event of a fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonfire Posted August 27, 2004 Author Share Posted August 27, 2004 hi,yup.. very good point.. I guess it would be a case of replacing what was there already and having some studing coming out to hold the bar.. I'm not planning todo all this myself.. going to get the appropriate people to sort it.. I'll tell the place what needs to be done and who they can talk to to do it and we'll go from there.. cheers for the input.. rgdschris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mini mansell Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 for perminant fixtures chemical anchors are the way to go. they wont split the brickwork or anything else and are rediiculously strong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SceneMaster Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 for perminant fixtures chemical anchors are the way to go. they wont split the brickwork or anything else and are rediiculously strong<{POST_SNAPBACK}> What are chemical anchors I have never heard of them explain please, I may just be being stupid or something but I have really never heard of them. Scenemaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 Chemical anchors are basically threaded stock that is glued into a predrilled hole in the brickwork. There's more to it than that in terms of epoxy selection and the shaping of the stock, but that's the general idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jivemaster Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 In a pub/bar situation even the truss and its hangers are part of the decor, three tube truss with truss lighters ( NJD Mirage or similar) come to mind. A good site survey should reveal the location of lots of steelwork in the structure then the Doughty catalog ( or PLASA stand ) should identify suitable clamps brackets and hangings.The venue licence will require the alterations to be OK'ed by the licensing authority prior to work starting. This may cost a lot as they may impose other new conditions esp with licences now being in local authority control. Any structural fire retardance must be maintained. It may be best to offer the listing authority the opportunity to have their input cos they can order you to restore if they dont approve of something you have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ike Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 Or for a slightly different opinion... If you put up a bit of scaff, truss or whatever, depending on the pub/club, people will try and hang the world off it. In my opinion you may be better of fixing the lanterns individually as it prevents joe blogs hanging a dozen movers off the bit of scaff you put up to hold a couple of par cans a few years previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jivemaster Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 And running a row of par64s off the feed for four martin 100w fx. Even better can it be out of reach to deter inebriated people trying to climb it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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