Roderick Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Does anybody know what actually happened?As these events ramp-up at this time of year, I would like to know if there are lessons to be learnt, not interested in pointing fingers! Skynews Daily Star There are probably more articles along the same lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryson Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Moderation: Careful with the finger-pointing, people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lightnix Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Birmingham to learn lessons from concert crowd surge Birmingham City Council has admitted it could have done more to prevent a crowd surge when boy band JLS performed at the city’s Christmas lights ceremony. Councillor Martin Mullaney, cabinet member for leisure, sport and culture said the council could have erected big screens outside the event for those unable to get in...Full story here... See also... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingwalker Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Nice looking stage system though - anyone any idea who did the rig? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnhuson Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 anyone any idea who did the rig?LD was Svend Pederson and all lighting equipment was supplied by us, rig was largely MAC 700 Profiles and I-Pix BB4s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitlane Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 I like the bit on the video during the de-rig where someone is apparently climbing all over the truss with no fall protection. Not convinced with the choice of front of stage barrier system. Made for an interesting discussion in my Event Design & Management lecture yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djw1981 Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 How did they end up with unprecedented numbers though? Because they didn't pre-ticket? Glasgow's event has been pre ticketed for about 5 years now. There is a nominal charge (£2 if I recall) this allows them to limit access to the square, and also to cover the costs of marshalls, toilets, and barriers (stage at one end, entry at the other, but fireworks go off from the entry end of the square). There are other exits which are marshalled and can be easily opened to allow rapid egress. Are Glasgow very unusual in pre-ticketing entry to a confined square for such events (a similar plan is in place for New Year). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalljoshua Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Plymouth didn't have any pre-ticketing (or any ticketing for that matter). It was incredibly cramped where I was standing although it was about 10m from the front. People I have spoken to said that it was almost painful at the front when George Samson came on stage. As for exit routes, it took me 5 mins to get out when there was no-one panicking. I dread to think how long it could have taken in an emergency. Minimal security and stewards with the local radio "talent" urging people to more forward to see more is a recipe for disaster, I'm just glad there wasn't one. Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnhuson Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 I like the bit on the video during the de-rig where someone is apparently climbing all over the truss with no fall protection.I would like to point out that this wasn't any of our crew! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul28 Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Read the article. Don't want to point on anybody but that was indeed a sad incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unfathomable Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 I like the bit on the video during the de-rig where someone is apparently climbing all over the truss with no fall protection. Not convinced with the choice of front of stage barrier system. Made for an interesting discussion in my Event Design & Management lecture yesterday. Where is this video of the rig/de rig/show? all the news ones are the same dodgy camera angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seano Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Where is this video of the rig/de rig/show? all the news ones are the same dodgy camera angle. Its here. (I already asked Kit by PM) It doesn't show anyone climbing 'all over the truss' though, someone in the background behind an interview steps up on to the ledgers at about 2.4m on some Kwikform scaff adjacent to the stage (cowsheds possibly, or more likely pa wings). To see similarly hair raising WaH malarky, watch any scaffolder at work, (almost) anywhere. I'm not sure what Kit means about the front of stage barrier either, the video shows a lot of bike-rack but there's nothing to indicate it was in front of the stage at any point. From the one glimpse I did get of the barrier (in one of the still photos) it looked like a perfectly standard barrier to me (Mojo or the like). It looked to me like the bike-rack featured in that video was actually there to keep people away from the de-rig, maybe Kit is more perceptive than me, but I couldn't see anything to indicate how, where (or even if) it was used for the gig itself. On the subject of the dodgy news footage - the link at the top of the thread has the camcorder footage with what I presume is its original soundtrack (the people who made the film talking about what they were seeing, and later one of them calling the police). Elsewhere the same footage turns up with a soundtrack made by clumsily looping a short (I mean about 20s ish) sample of screaming crowd. Pretty shoddy work, I thought - I wouldn't be impressed at all if a theatrical sound designer had turned that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitlane Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 I may have been mistaken about the FOS barrier. I'll have another look. 2.4m counts as working at height. A fall from that could injure or kill you. Difficult to protect though (too low for fall arrest) But a safer system of work should and could have been used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unfathomable Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Cheers seano. What happened is a pity, but why is it all the police etc at fault? should the people at the back pushing get some of the blame? Audiences should learn to be nice and patient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobA Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 I may have been mistaken about the FOS barrier. I'll have another look. Pictures 4 and 8 on BBC News website reader's pictures shows the barrier in front of the stage, it looks like standard crush barrier to me and fit for purpose. The barrier we discussed in the Event Design & Management lecture seemed to be further back at a choke point. If memory serves it was lightweight barrier and collapsed when the audience was pushed against it. This would fit with eyewitnesses saying they got cuts on their arms from the barrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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