Rozztech Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Hi all My schools new drama department is looking to install a new small lighting rig for a classroom / small stage environment . I have done the lighting and sound at our school for a number of years , and our main hall has a basic gathering of generics (soursefour,aclaim,floods . etc) witch we operate off a 48 channel strand 200 dimming through chili pro's. Anyway back to the main point of the thread. The drama teacher reacently approched me asking for a small theater rig to be installed in her room , plenty of ceiling space etc. all I need to know is what to use . Normaly I would use sourse four jr's and a collection of Fresnel's around 500w each , dimmed through something small , controlled by something eaqualy as basic . So what I am asking from you , the nerve center of the blue room is What should I use as I fear for profiles s4 jr's are too powerfull for a "venue" of this size, and what type of easy use dimmer should I concider useing ? ( I need around 12-20 channels max) As you dont know the size of the room or any other attributes of the room , I don't expect any in depth answers. thanks , any questions welcome =] Sam . (excuse spelling , not my strong point I must add !) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ynot Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Firstly welcome to the BR. This is something that in one guise or another crops up regularly here.The unfortunate answer is that we're not really going to be able to answer your queries as none of us will know the room size, nor the inherent infrastructure nor what might be feasible. Neither do we have any real idea of what might be planned for using the space and/or equipment. It's that old 'length of a piece of string' question again I'm afraid. My suggestion to you is to have the school contact 2 or 3 of the main theatre equipment suppliers and ask them to come in to advise and make recommendations. That gives you somewhere to start. Probably not what you were hoping, but I'd say that if anyone here were to try to offer reasnable advice based on what you can provide in writing will be doing so on a whim, to be frank.Of course, if you complete your profile with full details, including location and the school involved, there MAY be an experienced BR member local who can pop along to advise... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozztech Posted December 17, 2008 Author Share Posted December 17, 2008 I understand your very valid points ynot , all I need to know is what would the necessary lights be for a small room , thinking small Fresnel and low power profiles ? brands , etc ? thanks sam (sorry for the newbie questions , to be expected I imagine) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddywhack Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Just a couple of quick questions: how high is the ceiling in the room and how much floor area are you trying to light? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozztech Posted December 17, 2008 Author Share Posted December 17, 2008 As for ceiling space , it is a suspended ceiling , with about 10ft of space above , pleanty space for bars. we need to light an area around .... 6 m across 6 m deep. profiles and stage light needed , thanks sam ALSO , could someone pleas give me a named example of a dimmer that supports the number of channels I need , ty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berry120 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 As ynot has said, we don't know what small is - how small is small? Some dimensions would make things a lot clearer, are we talking a small theatre size of room, or small bedroom kind of size? Any lights would *work*, providing the required power was there, whether they'd be appropriate is another matter entirely. I'm afraid I'd still go with Ynots advice - putting the competency issue aside completely, it's not just about size, it's about what power's available, how they'd be rigged (stands or from the roof? Are there places the lights can be hung from already etc.) what effects you need, what you class as a small theatre rig, ceiling height... without knowing this detail it makes it pretty much impossible for anyone to recommend what will do the job and what won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 My suggestion to you is to have the school contact 2 or 3 of the main theatre equipment suppliers and ask them to come in to advise and make recommendations. That gives you somewhere to start. Precisely. By your (the original poster's) own admission, you don't know what's required. Neither does your school apparently. That's not a problem - it's a specialised area, and everyone's got to learn somewhere. But suppose, based on advice you receive here, you specify something, and put it out to tender. A company installs it, and it's no use. Your school complains that the installation is not fit for purpose. "Yes, we know", says the installer. "We thought that too. But it's exactly as you specified. So pay up." What should happen is that the school should specify their requirements, not detailing the equipment, but indicating what facilities they want, and how they intend to use it. This specification would then be passed to a number of reputable companies to tender for the work. At that stage, by all means, come here and say "they've proposed this, what does it mean?" But don't try to do the specialist's job for them at this stage, unless you really know what you're doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddywhack Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 As for ceiling space , it is a suspended ceiling , with about 10ft of space above , pleanty space for bars. we need to light an area around .... 6 m across 6 m deep. profiles and stage light needed , thanks sam ALSO , could someone pleas give me a named example of a dimmer that supports the number of channels I need , ty This is just my personal taste but... I would go for more of the same - Source 4 Juniors and Selecon Acclaims are both nice lanterns for a 'studio' type space.Dimming wise, I would go for some betapacks. They are relatively inexpensive and have six channels on each unit so it is just a matter of buying as many as you require. Hope this helps a little N Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LXbydesign Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Another mouth saying the same thing really, bring in 2 or 3 suppliers and give them the requiremnts that you need. They will advise you of fixtures , and infrastructure. However your spec could be anything from 4 T bars with portable dimming (that would usually give you 12 channels) or a slightly more permanent rig with IWB's and a new single phase supply going in!! Not knowing where you are but Stage LX or Hawthorns are good people to work with. - and they deal a lot with school / college installs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmoffat Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 As you are Scotland based, my first suggestion would be invite Blacklight and Northern Light in to spec the room. Let them tell you what they want to put in, and for what price. Then if you have any questions as to why something is recommended by them, then you can always ask us to speculate there after. You are much more likely to get a better answer from that, as it is very difficult to spec a venue that you can't walk round, look at, and then ask questions about. Thats my thoughts on the subject. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjkered Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 As you are Scotland based, my first suggestion would be invite Blacklight and Northern Light in to spec the room. Let them tell you what they want to put in, and for what price. Then if you have any questions as to why something is recommended by them, then you can always ask us to speculate there after. You are much more likely to get a better answer from that, as it is very difficult to spec a venue that you can't walk round, look at, and then ask questions about. Thats my thoughts on the subject. Dave This just about sums it very well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_towers Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 I'd also suggest a couple of other people, MM Sound and Light and Live Systems being local ones. In addition, there's a Stage LX base in Gateshead, which is certainly doable for East Lothian. My advice, listen to the others and shop around! :) Edit - PM sent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozztech Posted December 18, 2008 Author Share Posted December 18, 2008 Thanks for all the great replies , I am lucky enough to have spent time working at northern light so I will give the school their number , any other updates on the situation I will post Cheers Sam :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heinz57 Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 I would also recomend Custom Group. To do the instalation. They have alot of practice of instalations in schools etc. So they will know exactly what you want. I did a job with them myself over summer, the work is done very proffessionaly and completed to standards. They may be local to my area. But they have done contracts all over the country. Here is the website if you want to drop them a line (you want the theatre department) http://www.custom-group.co.uk/ Heinz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieF Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 Hi Sam,As Ross High was my school till 2 years ago I'm sure I can help you out.I'm working with a few companies over Christmas so I'll pass the details on if you wish.CheersJamie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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