TomLyall Posted March 14, 2004 Share Posted March 14, 2004 ive been asked, by my uncle and his band, to create them a small setup for their band, at the moment, im thinking 6 par 64s on two t bar stands, two alphapack2's and controling them via my new DMX interface, I was going to go for a betapack2 as that would be cheaper than two alphas, however I dont think their would be sufficent power avaliable in these venues for a betapack I just wondered if anyone has any ideas, either what to buy or where to buy it, thanks in advance, Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted March 14, 2004 Share Posted March 14, 2004 How about using Source Four Pars (or Chinese/Twainese Copies) as these only suck 575w so you can either have more bang for your bucks, or you can easily fit it onto a couple of 13A sockets. They do cost a little bit more to start off with, but you get the 4 lenses, the lamps are cheaper, and smaller (so delivery of a few would be cheaper also) and they are safer. Stu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomLyall Posted March 14, 2004 Author Share Posted March 14, 2004 How about using Source Four Pars (or Chinese/Twainese Copies)do you know roughly what kinda price these go for? both new and second hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted March 14, 2004 Share Posted March 14, 2004 For a band, you could probably get away with Par56s. Many of the more disco suppliers (Terralec, for example) will sell you a ready made bar with 8 x P56 plus 2 x DMX dimmer and a controller, and you will probably get change out of £900. See Terralec - ELP16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted March 14, 2004 Share Posted March 14, 2004 do you know roughly what kinda price these go for? both new and second handTerralec list the copies at £69Stage Electrics list the ETC ones at £243 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomLyall Posted March 14, 2004 Author Share Posted March 14, 2004 jus an idea, maybe a bad one but still, can a three phase dimmer be used on three single phase plugs, if you get what I mean, its just one of the nice dimmers ive seen is three phase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam.henderson Posted March 14, 2004 Share Posted March 14, 2004 Tom, Go to this thread. I asked the same question a few months ago. There are some very helpful replies on there! Wanabe LD (Jon) had some betapacks a while back and was selling them for £120 each- which isn't a bad price Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smeggie Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 on the terralec line, what are the 'multipar's they advertise? they seem to be S4 pars. in my experience, they (s4 pars) are quality items and are lightweight.cheersandrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 They are the Chinese copies - in my experience they are not as nice as the ETC 'kosher' lanterns, but they aren't bad for the price I suppose... The lens are a pain in the arse to get out on them tho, as I found out to my cost ;) But it does mean you only have to order 1xHPL for each lantern, instead of a 60, 61, 62 etc etc - Plus no hand in lantern to rotate the beam either. Stu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Some Bloke Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 Just a quick thought following previous experience of lighting bands in pubs, always check what else is running from the ring main before you turn up a single channel. Ask to be shown the fusebox and trace the circuit. Sometimes they will be already taking up a fair bit of power. If you bring up 10A when they're already using 25A of a 30A ring main, they won't be too happy! One place I went had replaced a fuse one time and put the wrong fuse back into the wrong hole. They were running a 30A ring main off a 15A fuse (which they'd forced into the fusebox somehow). They were then using about 12A already off the ring main. I brought up 1 channel and all was well, but as soon as I brought up the second it took the fuse (surprise, surprise!). Had to do a little moving round of fuses, bending back of contacts, borrowing fuse from elsewhere to replace blown fuse etc. etc. Took a while to sort out and thoroughly learnt my lesson! Checked the circuits ever since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jivemaster Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 www.dfb-uk.com offered me par 56s inc lamp for £25 inc each lets you have lots of lights or fewer if there's a power shortage. Pubs use beer soaked string to distribute power avoid their ring mains. look for a ceeform outlet cos that should be a suitably sized and fused spur-- only you using it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulears Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 on the 'copy' front - I note behringer is now into lighting - DMX control for less than £140 and the etc look-a-likes too. They've also got a cheap 6 x10 amp DMX dimmerpack. I've also come accross a similar pack from someone called stairville? The behringer pack is just over £200 inc vat. ceeforms in pubs? not in my area - just a few stained double 13a's if you're lucky! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomLyall Posted March 21, 2004 Author Share Posted March 21, 2004 right ive decided on my shoping list now, sortof... £225 - 3 x Multidim 4 channel 5 amp dimmer (£75 each) £200 - 10 x Ex-hire par 64's, including lamps £100 - 3 x t-bar stands, cheap ones from maplin (... yeah I know, you get what you pay for) £52 - 4 x 20m DMX cables £180 - Extensions, plugs, adaptors etc Total, £750, does this seem a good price for what im getting? is there anything crucial ive forgotten (except a desk... still deciding)? Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Foster Posted March 21, 2004 Share Posted March 21, 2004 You might want to get some gel stock, and also safety bonds. And also pleanty of gaffa, lx etc, if you havnt thought of that already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam.henderson Posted March 21, 2004 Share Posted March 21, 2004 except a desk... still deciding What desks are you deciding between?? Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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