musht Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 Fresh thread , smellchucker on. Thinking about control position risers, does it get into more regulations above a certain height. i.e. are handrails, toeboards etc a legal requirement above a certain height and if it is what height? How do the rules differ for a riser on stage be it a drum riser,set rostra or orchestra lift? ThanksModeration: moved from lighting to here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSA Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 In short, a competent person needs to assess the risks, and put into place any measures they deem necessary to reduce those risks to an acceptable level. This would take into account all factors you mention inc. location, height, type of use etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musht Posted March 2, 2007 Author Share Posted March 2, 2007 Thanks but really looking for the long version. Have come across it before and had various chapter and verse bits quoted, think it comes into HSE guidance or legsilation which allows us to have a stage wthout a handrail along the front for instance. Which presume would also cover control positions. Would be nice to know what the `rule book` actually says when encountering jobsworths ;-) Just wondering if anyone could point me the right way? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p.k.roberts Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Seems to be plenty of info here .... http://www.hse.gov.uk/falls/downloads/1and2.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musht Posted March 5, 2007 Author Share Posted March 5, 2007 Seems to be plenty of info here .... http://www.hse.gov.uk/falls/downloads/1and2.pdf On industrial accidents and work at height regs, specifically trying to find out where line is drawn, as under one set of rules a stage would require a handrail..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieR Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Quite often the 'rule' may be set by the local authority. Some are not that concerned (as long as you're not trying something stupid) while others ( cough... Glasgow City...) seem to have it that everything over 18" requires full building control paperwork! Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p.k.roberts Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Seems to be plenty of info here ....http://www.hse.gov.uk/falls/downloads/1and2.pdfOn industrial accidents and work at height regs, specifically trying to find out where line is drawn, as under one set of rules a stage would require a handrail..... If you're on a rostra, then as far as the law is concerned, you are working at height. There is no 'line' (like the old 2 metre rule) and what the WAHR says is that each situation needs to be individually assessed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musht Posted March 6, 2007 Author Share Posted March 6, 2007 If you're on a rostra, then as far as the law is concerned, you are working at height. There is no 'line' (like the old 2 metre rule) and what the WAHR says is that each situation needs to be individually assessed. Thats kind of what I thought, that Working At Height Regulations affected anything above mean ground level, but sure (hoped) there must be some sort of stage specific guide when handling health and safety officials who may be more used to things like loading docks and machine access. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rh01bellc Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 I have in the past hired in a few bits of steeldeck to create a control position but it has only been 4ft deep but 150-200cm high so I put handrails on it anyway - just to make myself feel safer if nothing else. It depends on what you feel to be right - if you dont have rails and you dont feel safe or certain that nothing is going to fall off then put rails on - well thats the way I look at it. I hope it helps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulears Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 musht - what you've got is really as solid as it gets. Like much legislation it is designed to put the onus on the end user, so that way, what is safe vs unsafe won't be laid out in black and white. So the info on the HSE site is as close as you can get. You decide the height on a case by case basis, and carry the can if you get it wrong. They even do it with fire safety now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave singleton Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 Most companies don't tend to support normal off the shelf deck above 2m-2.5m. I had a request for some deck 3.5m high and even with handrails and bracing etc it couldnt be done. Above that height your looking at scaffolding or having something fabricated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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