Matt Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 what would you prefer to see stay or go forever...? the good old, proven format of vynl (yay, gets my vote) or the nice "digital", smaller version of it, the Compact Disc ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????? edit: couldnt find out how to change the poll answers, was having a bit of a blonde moment, so please ignore the "to go" selections. for if you select cd to stay,you obviously want vynl to go, and vice versa..... oooopsy Edit by moderator, 22/12/03 21:50 ... poll edited accordingly! (Gareth) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Foster Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 They are both useeful in differnt applications. I think you need a "both to stay" option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techno_Monkey Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 yeah I agree, tho my vote goes with cd on an ease of editing and creating front. Also good as you can use them for not only music but data etc as well. So I am with the cd I'm afraid, simply because it is more versatile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lena Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 Are you asking in a professional setting or in general? If I am at home I like listening to my vinyl, but I wouldn't consider using it on a show. I don't really think you can compare the two. I think you should have a both to stay option too! Sorry, I guess that spoils your poll a little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lena Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 Actually, having put a bit of thought into it, I have decided that there is no shortage of digital options, but vinyl has a quality all of its own. Therefore my vote goes to keep vinyl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blamelewis Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 Neither! Gimme the iPod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicgross Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 Neither! Gimme the iPod theres always one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 For all but the die-hard audiophile, vinyl is more or less a dead format. If you have especially well-developed hearing, and you have several thousand pounds worth of stae of the art audio equipment in your living room, you might be able to tell the difference between vinyl and digital. But I'll bet you a pound to a penny that if you took your average record purchaser and put him in front of a few hundred quids worth of decent mid-range hifi kit and played him the same track on CD and vinyl he couldn't tell the difference. Vinyl is not available on the high street any more, it's very much a specialist item these days. So is the playback equipment. CDs are available everywhere, right down to your local Tescos. The playback equipment is widely available, cheap, and there's a bewildering variety to choose from. You can record CDs on your computer, and play them back in your car or while you're out walking the dog - can you do that with a 12"? You can burn all the sound cues for your show to a CD, and trigger each one with a simple press of a button - in a non-linear way, if you so wish. You can't press your own LP and use it that way. Unless you're Fatboy Slim or the most dedicated audiophile with a huge vinyl collection, these days CD has to be the "Weapon Of Choice". (See what I did there? Fatboy Slim, "Weapon Of Choice" .... yeah, OK, whatever ..... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kate Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 You've got to have both. CDs because those in-car record decks are a real pain (especially on bumpy roads!) and vinyl because, as De La Soul once said, "everyone wants to be a DJ"!Well thats my 2p's worth on the subject anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 as De La Soul once said, "everyone wants to be a DJ"!Very sad, but very true. You only have to visit PLASA on a Sunday to know that ... <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 23, 2003 Author Share Posted December 23, 2003 gareth Vinyl is not available on the high street any more, it's very much a specialist item these days. So is the playback equipment. yes it is... you can buy it in virgin megastores... where about 40% of my collection comes from actually. and the playback equipment can be bought on the high street aswell. I could sell you a decent project expression or debut 2 deck for about £200 ish around there, where I work neway, and its a high street chain.... grrrrrrrrrrr and there is a lot of choice of record decks.... just depends on how much ur willing to spend really, numark, KAM, technics, pioneer, stanton, gemini, and vestax. and I resent that comment made about sitting a regular record purchaser, that aint true, I sure noticed it when I started to work in audio t, especially listening to the likes of the rotel ra01 series kit, very nice! mp3 and stuff dont count, coz you can create it from both <_< (and thanks to whoever removed the dodgy 2 options, and the weapon of choice thing was good... for those who got it :P) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 OK, so you can get vinyl in some of the bigger high street stores ... but in terms of the mass market, CD has it cornered. Let's take a well-known high street hifi dealers, Richer Sounds. Their website currently lists six different models of turntable (not including the DJ package thing), against 36 different models of CD player. I'd imagine that if you went to any hifi retailer you'd encounter the two types of product in similar proportion. And in sales terms, I wonder how many CD players they sell for every turntable that goes out of the door? In professional terms, I can't speak for other sectors of the audio industry, but certainly in theatre the vinyl LP is long since dead and buried. You might find one or two producing houses who still have an old turntable tucked away somewhere, but I very much doubt whether any of them still use them. and the weapon of choice thing was good... for those who got itI'll never be able to watch Christopher Walken acting in a film again without thinking of him dancing around that hotel lobby ... <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kate Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 You might find one or two producing houses who still have an old turntable tucked away somewhere, but I very much doubt whether any of them still use them.Guilty as charged m'lud! <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lightnix Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 Neither! Gimme the iPod <_<Is that the same iPod where you can't change the battery yourself and have to send the whole unit off at a cost of £££s every eighteen months, to get the thing changed when it runs out ;) ? Gotta be CD I'm afraid. I know that vinyl is supposed to offer a "pure analogue" sound, but don't forget that some of the quality is lost in the manufacturing process. Poor manufacturing of vinyl LPs, poor transport and storage (leading to warping), scratches, dust and static all take their toll on the sound quality and you will rarely find two turntables that play at exactly the same speed. It's getting harder to find good quality turntables now. I dropped into Richer Sounds recently to look for one to replace our old (but still working) Garrard job from the 70s. Their advice: Keep the Garrard - it would cost at least £400 to get something of equivalent quality now, but less than £100 to get the old one refurbished. With CD, all these problems pretty well vanish and you get something that will hold eighty minutes of music instead of barely fifty. CDs are more durable, more portable, less fragile and you can make them at home. I just got a copy of Cakewalk Pyro to help me burn up a few of the 1500 or so mp3s I "somehow" seem to have accquired over the last few years. It's brilliant, superb ripping and burning facilities, combined with the ability to do cross fades, save mp3 clips as new files and do some good basic cleaning of scratchy / noisy old recordings. All for less than £40 :P I love my old vinyl collection and would never willingly part with it, but have upgraded much of it to CD and pulled most of the rest of it off the net. So there it lies, loved but unplayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 23, 2003 Author Share Posted December 23, 2003 £400 to get something of the same quality, bah... richer sounds sell cheap cd players... dont see them selling the cyrus cd8 or the meridian 568 (old but good), nad c521 c541i bla bla bla richer sounds, play on words - really quite cheapy, my boss used to work as a manager there, and he told me a story how he and his "team" used too feed %&^£ to the customers just to get rid of the stock... anyway... I still think vynl will always have its place, agree's about the vynl in theatre, that would be useless, vynl is still hot on the club scene as far as I know, I just think its here to stay... part of our good old english heritage and we should be proud of that... same as winning world war 2, but if things carry on the way there are going at the moment, that would have been all in vain... but thats another story I'll never be able to watch Christopher Walken acting in a film again without thinking of him dancing around that hotel lobby ...†:P I think ur trying to catch me out there <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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