Mr Wheeler Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 Not sure if this is the right section as I have searched the forum and can't find anything similar. The theatre I work at has a rock/pop gig hired in, and there will be approx 700 in the theatre in a flat floor format (500 downstairs, 200 balcony). I have staged flat floor gigs before, but not for this many people and I'm not sure whether or not there needs to be any crowd control in front of the stage, which will be built from steeldeck. There won't be any stage diving or huge mosh pit involved as the band have played here before and the crowd was well behaved, and wasn't as big. Also, the raked seating was in, with the orchestra pit lowered in front of the stage for people to dance. Can anyone advise the best route forward and if there is a legal requirement to have barriers if the audience is over a certain number. Suggestions would be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klimov Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 I guess there cannot be such a rule since if there was it would be applied daily to your theatre. Barriers are either up to promoter or are direct demand of the artist (part of the contract) or are venue's rule. One option before you go for barriers in case there is not enough room for them is to use orchectra pit as natural barrier for the crowd. It does not allow dancing thou.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac.calder Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 Barriers fall under the wonderfull banner of "Risk Assessment" AFAIK. Look at the situation, and decide. Some bands will feel a bit more comfortable with some form of barrier between them and the public, some will not care either way. Some bands incite riot, others do not. Will you be overcrowded? etc. As a general rule, it is better to be safe than sorry, but barriers can also be a safety hazard if used incorrectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew C Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 There used to be a book called "The Pop Code", but I believe it has had a name change. This would probably be the closest to chapter-and-verse. I can't remember what it is now called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hadyn Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 There used to be a book called "The Pop Code", but I believe it has had a name change. This would probably be the closest to chapter-and-verse. I can't remember what it is now called.The Event Safety Guide - A guide to Health, Safety and welfare at music and similar events.ISBN: 0717624536 HSE Ref: HSG195Cost: £20 HTH, Hadyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roderick Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 But if you decide you need a barrier, hire a proper one and don't try to build one out of bits'n'pieces.Have a look here:Sico Stage barrierThere could be nothing worse than having a barrier that collapses under the pressure of the crowd. It should have steps for security at the back to allow them to get people over the barrier if needed. For that purpose it should have a wide round bar at the top and not have any protrusions where the kids could get caught.And consider the subs, a good barrier has mesh panels to allow the sound to travel through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete McCrea Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 I believe there are basic tings like the punters sholdn't be able to get body parts through the barrier etc. It is possibly best off getting a specialist supplier to cover it. That way if the brown hits the expelaire, it's they're problem. Try LMS Events in Worcester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jivemaster Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 Check your venue's licence for T&Cs, Risk Assess with security managers from previoue appearances. The Pop code as above also guides you. If you decide on a barrier hire in a good one and the crew and communications to run it. The Barrier is where the crushed get pulled out and there should be both pullers there to pull them out and first aid/parameds there to treat casualties. If you hire a barrier then they have to find a place to secure IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnhuson Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 If you hire a barrier then they have to find a place to secure IT. Curious to know what you mean about this, I've never seen a temporary barrier system that required to be secured to walls/floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete McCrea Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 Most barriers (Mojo and the copies) work on having a large mass (i.e. being HEAVY) and using the crowd weight on the front edge to keep the barrier in the right place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonino Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 not sure where you are, but tega have them, very quick to put together, and the tightening bolt is at waist height, rather than right at the bottom where you spend about 5 minutes fiddling about with each one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Check your venue's licence for T&Cs, And the Green & Yellow Books. Immediately I can think that the will be a risk of punters getting pushed under the steeldeck stage - and what will you do to stop the crush moving the legs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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