Stu Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_mi...nds/3153606.stm Stu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshwah Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 That sounds terrible ill have to have a word with my mate hes a lx op at the alexandra he may no more about it. Wonder what the cause was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 well from what the report says it sounds like the cause was havign 40 people on the part of the stage over the pit, I would think that is just too much weight on it and it couldnt cope but if anyone knows anymore then it may be very interesting. I will say its very lucky that no one was seriously hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonythetechie Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 I was in this theatre just a couple of months ago. on either side of the stage is a staircase onto the stage and the pit cover has big signs on it saying not to stand on it as it can't take any weight. I guess the stage got overcrowded and people thought it would be ok to stand on it. it's a hell of a drop down to the pit tho. got to be at least 7 feet. it sounds like the cause was havign 40 people on the part of the stage over the pit, The pit cover is a separate part of the stage and about a foot lower than the main stage, when we were there we were advised not to stand source 4's on it never mind 40 people. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickLee Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 Sounds like HSE will love this one then... N Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 the pit cover has big signs on it saying not to stand on it as it can't take any weight{snip}people thought it would be ok to stand on it.So there are big signs saying "Danger! Do not stand on this bit", and people fell into the pit because they completely ignored the signs and stood on it regardless? To me that sounds suspiciously like a prime example of natural selection at work. :D In all seriousness though ... as Nick says, HSE are going to have a field day with this one. If I was management at the Alex, I'd be seriously worried - especially so when you consider that, thanks to the b*stard Americans, we live in an ever-worsening 'compensation culture', and therefore many of those affected were probably straight on the phone to Claims Direct or some other bunch of money-grabbing ambulance-chasing mercenary a*seholes. Having punters coming up onto the stage during a show probably isn't the wisest thing to be doing in the first place. In the second place, if they had no choice, why weren't there stewards or stage management on hand to keep them off the dangerous parts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James C Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 It was one of these "sing-a-long-a" shows (I think that they're little more than a film with lyric-subtitles). Someone obviously thought it would make a pleasing warm-up to get the audience onstage, and being little more than a glorified cinema-night there wouldn't have been the hordes of stage management manpower in the building that there might have been if it had been a full-on musical. Not that that makes it acceptable. I wonder if it was a spur-of-the-moment thing to get the audience onstage, or if they always do it... Indeed, I expect much crying into their beer by venue management today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiona Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 As far as I know the 'getting people up on the stage' happens at every show - or it has at the events that I have been to.....would have thought they would have thought about other ways of getting around this....unless of course the management were not informed they were getting people up and had been told it was just an interactive film show..... hmmmm ...where does that leave them?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 Who did the risk assessment... ... of the pit cover that cannot take any weight but has no guard rail.? ... of having a large number of audience members on stage? ... Were there any risk assessments? The Alex is run by CC Live (Formerly Apollo Leisure). I have heard that the HSE are looking for a big name to make an example of - will this be it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 The Alex is run by CC Live (Formerly Apollo Leisure). I have heard that the HSE are looking for a big name to make an example of - will this be it? If so they couldn't choose a more deserving target. The show has come here several times and the rider is very clear about the level of audience participation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew C Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 Perhaps we should be a little carefull with our posts on this one. It could become sub-judice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryson Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 Moved to General. It looks very much on-topic to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lightnix Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 It could become sub-judice.Good point. It's probably not a good idea to speculate about the causes and liabilities surrounding any major incident, certainly in the UK, in case it prejudices the official inquiry. Comments like...If so they couldn't choose a more deserving target....will not help anybody here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryson Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 As per Andrew and Lightnix's points, this topic is temporarily closed until we can check out it's legality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryson Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 For your info: Contempt of Court: Actions which would commonly draw charges of contempt include: Publication of material which prejudges the case, especially where it makes the express or tacit assumption that the accused in a criminal trial is guilty(93). Taken from this site. Also: The Blue Room does not allow any illegal activities. The Blue Room is not responsible for anything you say in the forums, or for any consequences that arise from what you say. If you break the law, you alone will be responsible for the consequences. You and you alone are responsible and liable for all your activities in The Blue Room. Remember, you are responsible for anything you say or post and for protecting your own computer system. From our terms and conditions.Thread Reopened, with advice 01/10/03 4.00pm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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