badboybez Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 Status of actress is suspected fractured wrist (will be re xrayed when swelling goes down) and a very badly bruised coccyx (tail bone) Ta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badboybez Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 Why do we still have a tailbone? Evolution a funny old thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sound_engineer Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 I had a similar incident occur at a gig I ran at the college I work at, the stage is all on ground level with a 5.5 foor deep orchestra pit with "table" style fills to bring the orchestra pit back up to floor level when it is not in use. I had a crowd of about 200 in a venue licensed for over 500 with maybe 20 people standing on the orchestra pit (not clearly marked) so I presumed would stand up to the same kind of treatment as the floor as there are no warnings. The vibration from people moshing on the orchestra pit caused some packing under several of the legs to move and there fore the legs to drop by about 8 inches. The Floor was stable but it was still un nerving for me to see it move so easily with no warning. If anybody has any views on this then please feel free to msg me or email me at Phil@teamsatan.com or visit my site at www.soundengineer.i8.com and message me off there!cheers guysPhil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 It sounds like the "eight inches of packing" under the legs were a bit of a bodge, which could be why it was unsafe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 There have been reports on the local news today that the management have admitted H&S breaches and are paying compensation to the victims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frog Genius Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 With this sort of stuff happening I think that you really do have to assess ALL eventualitys, even actors getting carried away, remember the guy that died swinging from the trus???Perhaps we should all risk assess the actors too? :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Some Bloke Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 It seems to me that maybe the reason for there being a risk in this case was that it got caught in between 2 risk assessments. The company told the theatre that they would be bringing audience members up onto the stage. The stage was safe. The venue realised that it was not safe to go onto the pit cover (and, apparently, even warn technicians not to put so much as a Source 4 on there) so put up big signs which technicians and actors would all notice and act upon. No-one assessed the risk of some tw*t (sorry, I mean 'enthusiastic audience member') jumping onto the pit cover. Looks like the venue have agreed that it was them who should have done so, and this is a lesson to all of us who risk assess for venues: just getting a RA in from a company isn't enough - you must also check it has no implications for ones own RAs. I'll certainly be learning from this one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lightnix Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 Guilty plea over stage collapse Two companies have pleaded guilty to breaching health and safety laws after part of a stage collapsed in 2003.Thirty people were injured when the stage fell during a production of Sing-Along-A-Sound-of-Music at Birmingham's Alexandra Theatre.Producers Sing Along Productions and theatre managers Clear Channel said the accident was a result of a communications breakdown between them.The case has been sent to Birmingham Crown Court for sentencing...Full story - BBC News Firms admit safety breach after 'nuns' fell through stage Fifteen theatregoers dressed as nuns crashed into an orchestra pit after a stage collapsed, a court heard yesterday. Some suffered serious fractures, while others escaped with cuts and bruises.They were among 40 members of the audience invited on stage at the Alexandra Theatre in Birmingham during a Sound of Music tribute show.Birmingham magistrates' court heard that during the show in September 2003 the compere, Deborah King, asked for volunteers for a fancy dress competition.More than 40 people dashed up, uncontrolled, and she moved some of them on to plywood boarding attached to the main stage...Full story - telegraph.co.uk - Topic moved to Safety forum (which didn't exist back when the thread started). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBA Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Being an ex-civil engineer the only advice I I can give for making certain that the area is strong enough is to get a compentent structural engineer to look and design extra supports. The actual effective weight of a large person jumping may be the same as 3 or 4 normal people standing (please dont quote me on this!!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Frazer Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 I was there just after this happened. There were a lot of blood stains on the carpet in the pit. It wasnt pretty. Unfortunatly they didn't cancel my show :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulears Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 Reading between the lines, is what happened that the pit wasn't being used so it was covered with thin sheet and painted to look like the 'real' stage floor? I have to say that I did this once years ago, and it was only afterwards that the danger of doing this suddenly surfaced. My view at the time was that I warned everyone, so that was enough. Sudden audience participation, I'm sure, would have resulted in similar end results. Isn't it a shame that most improvements in safety result from something bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bythesea.33 Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 nobody mentioned the dancefloor collapsing at the Newcastle Carling academy yet in relation to this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickwoolley Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 I didn't think it collapsed big style. Just sagged a bit? Found a linky: Floor. Someone please feel free to correct me if I am wrong. Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bythesea.33 Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 true, it was merely saggy...but there was a lot more damage underneath than that photo shows.it was minutes away from a major f-up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickwoolley Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 Yea I heard that some of the floor joists had come off their springs? I wonder why...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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