ETC Colorsource AV 40 Playback faders

[twinington]

HI all, I'm looking for some advice. Ive started a new job in January and they have a ETC Colorsource AV in place in one venue. Currently, the physical faders on the desk can be used for the channels and for the playbacks. A playback look is set for submaster 20 on page 9 (Playback 180) that they want to be active all the time. When the page is changed and I want to use fader 20 on any other page it brings down playback 180 aswell. I've used a number of desks that use a group of physical faders to control multiple layers/area's but don't think that I have ever had this issue.

Any advice on either how to fix this, or how to control the a look in such a way that it can be excluded from the physical fader controls? 

Any insight would be appreciated

Edited April 18, 2023 by twinington

[sleah]

I suspect that rather than another page bringing down playback 180, rather the 'other' playback is changing the attributes on the same fixtures as those in PB180, which is kinda the same thing, if you know what I mean!  Without looking, I can't recall if there is a setting to change from HTP (highest take priority) to LTP (lowest takes priority) behaviour on playbacks.

I'll have a tinker when I get chance and report back, unless you find the answer beforehand.

Edited April 18, 2023 by sleah

[alistermorton]

One clunky solution I've seen suggested is to map the same submaster to the same handle on each page but I'm not sure if that works on this particular desk.

Scrub that, I think I've misunderstood what you mean by "always active" and go it barse ackwards.

 

Edited April 18, 2023 by alistermorton

[twinington]

If you could that would be really helpful, thank you.

Just to note though, I'm not sure that is the issue. Before I started the fixtures were just left on the playback, and fader 20 was never used. After having a look, and testing I wasn't able to get the playback to stay on with any fixture. The process I used that I think should have worked was

Delete Playbacks 20 & 180
Record fixtures 51-62 with intensity @100% onto Playback 180 (Playback page 9, Fader 20)
leave Playback 180@FL
Change page to PG1 
Bring down fader before new look is recorded
- at this point, Playback 180 (Playback page 9 fader 20) is brought down in line with the fader while still on playback page 1

Hope that makes sense!

 

[twinington]

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Edited April 18, 2023 by twinington
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[twinington]

23 minutes ago, alistermorton said:

One clunky solution I've seen suggested is to map the same submaster to the same handle on each page but I'm not sure if that works on this particular desk.

Thank you for your reply, 

Im not sure how I would do this. Ive not used a Colorsource desk in years, and I think this one hasn't been kept up to date. They are reticent to update as it is part of a complicated AV setup in an event hall. I am the only Tech with any lighting experience.

[alistermorton]

It may also be worth looking in to the user groups on FaceBook - I think there's a ColorSource group there, there's certainly a very active EOS group (and pretty much every other major console).

[Tomo]

ColorSource has 20 or 40 Playbacks, and many pages of content that can be loaded onto them.

When you change page, all "inactive" playbacks are loaded with the new content, and any playbacks that are "active" keep the old content until it is brought out.

Eg. If you are on Page 1 and push up Playback #1 (call that preset 1.1), then change to Page 2, Playback #1 is still controlling preset 1.1 until it's brought back down to zero.
Then when you bring 1.1 down to zero, preset 2.1 is loaded onto the Playback.

This ensures all active playbacks are immediately available, so you can't get in a situation where you need to search to find out why a light is "stuck on".

What is on that playback?
If something needs to be on all the time, then perhaps the Independents might be a better way?

[twinington]

10 hours ago, Tomo said:

ColorSource has 20 or 40 Playbacks, and many pages of content that can be loaded onto them.

When you change page, all "inactive" playbacks are loaded with the new content, and any playbacks that are "active" keep the old content until it is brought out.

Eg. If you are on Page 1 and push up Playback #1 (call that preset 1.1), then change to Page 2, Playback #1 is still controlling preset 1.1 until it's brought back down to zero.
Then when you bring 1.1 down to zero, preset 2.1 is loaded onto the Playback.

This ensures all active playbacks are immediately available, so you can't get in a situation where you need to search to find out why a light is "stuck on".

What is on that playback?
If something needs to be on all the time, then perhaps the Independents might be a better way?

This is exactly how I thought it should work. And how I have found it to work in the past. That is not what is happening though. The playback (using your naming convention) would be 9.20. Then when the page is changed and 1.20 is to to used, they are brought down with the bringing down of the fader 20 back to 0

The playback manages a selection of up lights and work lights that I am told need to be left on whenever the space is in use. 
Ive never used independents so thats a good shout that I can look into, thank you for the suggestion!