TJ Lighting Solutions Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Hey Guys I have a Jem Heavy Fog Glaciator... The machine currently isnt chilling! I have takern the side panel off the unit and shows that the unit is "dry"!! Can anyone tell me what coolant I need to get the machine working again!? Any help would be greatly appreciated!! TJ Lighting Solutions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.elsbury Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Welcome to the Blue Room. Do you use Google often? I searched for the user manual, and found the below information that might be of use: Refrigeration unitCompressor with PWM electronic control . . 0.75 kW (1hp)Refrigerant. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . R404A (1.2 Kg) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ Lighting Solutions Posted February 26, 2012 Author Share Posted February 26, 2012 Hello, What do you mean use google oftern?? many thanks for your comment!! Its a step closer I guess!!! TJ LIGHTING SOLUTIONS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe@E-Lite Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 When you say the machine is showing dry, I assume that are looking at the spy glass in the fluid compartment? The spy glass only shows coolant when the compressor is running and coolant is pumping around the system, so if you have any problems with the cooling system, the spy glass will look dry regardless of how much coolant is in the system. The machine pulses the coolant rather than constantly pumping it, so on a working machine you should see the coolant enter the spy glass every couple of seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ Lighting Solutions Posted February 27, 2012 Author Share Posted February 27, 2012 Oh many thanks Joe!! I Dont think I have seen any fluid in the spy glass when the unit is running.. :/ Can you think of anything else I can try?? Cheers TJ LIGHTING SOLUTIONS :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrydir Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Are you running a version 1 'Heavy Fog Glaciator' or a newer 'Glaciator X Stream' ? The manual above is for the X stream - there were many changes between models...and although the coolant fluid is probably the same I would try to get the proper manual. I've never had a problem with the fridge system itself, more likely are connection/fuse problems in the chic blocs etc beneath the control/screens. They're subject to corrosion obviously and I've had fridges not work at all because a circuit is down, even though no errors show and the rest of the unit runs happily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbuckley Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 What you actually need is a refrigeration engineer. They have the skills and equipment to fix this sort of problem. Unless the problem is with some specific bit of hardware, in which case they'll identify the problem at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emsgeorge Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 and dont run the unit with no refridgerent gas in it, or you will end up burning out the motor. As said, an air con / fridge engineer is needed. If its just a gas recharge, and no leaks / seals, its around £80-£100. If you can get them to charge it with one of the newer gasses (r407a or r407f), they are much more efficient than 404a. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe@E-Lite Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 What you actually need is a refrigeration engineer. They have the skills and equipment to fix this sort of problem. Unless the problem is with some specific bit of hardware, in which case they'll identify the problem at least.Totally agree and that's exactly what I logged on to say myself. It's not something we could fix ourselves, but if you are in the south east I could give you the details of someone who knows Glaciators and I have used him before to fix them. If not you are best off sending it back to Martin/Jem (you will need to go through a Martin dealer). I wouldn't recomend taking it to someone who isn't familar with these as they are very labour intensive even when you know the machines and you could end up paying a lot for money for someone to learn how to take these to pieces. It might be worth given Martin Manufacturing (Jem) a ring to seeif it is anything obvious such as blown fuse, loose connection etc. Richard would be your best bet. 01507 603143 option 1 Give me a ring or e-mail me if you need the details for the guy I have used on 01622 675576 or info@e-litetechserv.co,uk ask for Martin or me. Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe@E-Lite Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 What you actually need is a refrigeration engineer. They have the skills and equipment to fix this sort of problem. Unless the problem is with some specific bit of hardware, in which case they'll identify the problem at least.Totally agree and that's exactly what I logged on to say myself. It's not something we could fix ourselves, but if you are in the south east I could give you the details of someone who knows Glaciators and I have used him before to fix them. If not you are best off sending it back to Martin/Jem (you will need to go through a Martin dealer). I wouldn't recomend taking it to someone who isn't familar with these as they are very labour intensive even when you know the machines and you could end up paying a lot for money for someone to learn how to take these to pieces. It might be worth given Martin Manufacturing (Jem) a ring to seeif it is anything obvious such as blown fuse, loose connection etc. Richard would be your best bet. 01507 603143 option 1 Give me a ring or e-mail me if you need the details for the guy I have used on 01622 675576 or info@e-litetechserv.co,uk ask for Martin or me. Joe Whoops sorry typo error email address should be info@e-litetechserv.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ Lighting Solutions Posted March 4, 2012 Author Share Posted March 4, 2012 Thanks everyone for all you help and support!! I am hoping I can just get someone to re gas it... Have been told that the unit needs to go through stage electrics as they are my local martin dealer... But I feel this wouldnt be the best option!?? Umm not sure whats the next step... Appart from spending alot of money... TJ LIGHTING SOLUTIONS What you actually need is a refrigeration engineer. They have the skills and equipment to fix this sort of problem. Unless the problem is with some specific bit of hardware, in which case they'll identify the problem at least.Totally agree and that's exactly what I logged on to say myself. It's not something we could fix ourselves, but if you are in the south east I could give you the details of someone who knows Glaciators and I have used him before to fix them. If not you are best off sending it back to Martin/Jem (you will need to go through a Martin dealer). I wouldn't recomend taking it to someone who isn't familar with these as they are very labour intensive even when you know the machines and you could end up paying a lot for money for someone to learn how to take these to pieces. It might be worth given Martin Manufacturing (Jem) a ring to seeif it is anything obvious such as blown fuse, loose connection etc. Richard would be your best bet. 01507 603143 option 1 Give me a ring or e-mail me if you need the details for the guy I have used on 01622 675576 or info@e-litetechserv.co,uk ask for Martin or me. Joe Whoops sorry typo error email address should be info@e-litetechserv.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.elsbury Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Have been told that the unit needs to go through stage electrics as they are my local martin dealer... But I feel this wouldnt be the best option!??I'm quite confused. Considering that this unit is made by Martin, why would you not want to take it to a Martin dealer? David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ Lighting Solutions Posted March 14, 2012 Author Share Posted March 14, 2012 Many thanks guys for all your support and help with this!!! Just thought id let you all know that I contacted a local engineer to look at the compressor and he spent 10 mins looking at the unit and could tell me instantly that the compressor was on its last legs.. Soo new compressor it is.. soo jem quoted me £2,038 and engineer quoted me £400 including.. empty the gas out safely, remove old compressor, fit new one, re gas it and re pressure the unit!! Sorted!! :) Thanks again for all your comments on this post!! Unit will be ready for hire again soon!! :D TJ LIGHTING SOLUTIONS Have been told that the unit needs to go through stage electrics as they are my local martin dealer... But I feel this wouldnt be the best option!??I'm quite confused. Considering that this unit is made by Martin, why would you not want to take it to a Martin dealer? David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulears Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 This has me interested. The service company I assume are just typical refrigeration engineers - but it's nice to realise that the internal components are nothing special - and can be repaired by anyone familiar with the gas system and parts. Compressors may appear 'specialist' but I guess we just don't see enough to compare. I know people with Glaciator stocks spend lots of money on manufacture repairs of these specialist systems, when the local refrigeration people don't find the internals very tricky at all. One to remember! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbuckley Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 There will be parts in the Glaciator that are unique to to the unit, the most likely being the condenser and evaporator components. The evaporator will be (I assume) some labyrinthy thing that the hot fog passes through, and the condenser (same as the coils on the back of your fridge) will be a small fan-cooled jobbie designed to fit the box. If these fail or get damaged it is likely that a replacement will need to be sourced from the manufacturer. However, the compressor, and any inline components (eg dryer) will be off-the-shelf components being either widely available or having available equivalents. Refrigeration uses gasses, and the engineer understand how those gasses behave, the thermodynamics necessary to make the system work. There's some quite heavy theory in there. The tools required are quite simple, a leak detector, a vacuum pump, a tank of (the correct!) gas and a set of gauges but like many other jobs its knowing what to do with that kit is where the skill lies. Plus the kit and ability to do gas tight hard soldering! Tip - if you ever puncture a refrigeration circuit, as soon as the pressure is released, block up the hole. This will stop moisture from the atmosphere getting into the circuit, and will reduce the price of the repair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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