johnnymurray Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 Couldn't see this on search so don't think it has been posted yet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb8F-Kpuzs4 Video footage of a stage collapsing in Rio before a Guns n Roses gig! Some pretty scary stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.sealey Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 More importantly, was anybody hurt/injured? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnymurray Posted March 16, 2010 Author Share Posted March 16, 2010 One report says few reported injuries no fatalities! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ynot Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 Just goes to show that there's one thing you can't cater for - the elements! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abbotsmike Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 All news I can find seems to report only minor injuries, looks absolutely terrifying though, especially when they had to leave the truck for fear of the rest of the stage collapsing on to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cedd Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 I was amazed just how calm the cameraman sounded! I'd have been bricking it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Some Bloke Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 Check out as they're climbing the fence: Stage collapses, portaloos remain standing! :unsure: :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilflet Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 I was amazed just how calm the cameraman sounded! I'd have been bricking it!I thought that too, theres bits seem like a proper journalist (after the run from the truck it looks like he's interviewing the guys that we're on stage) not a drummer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Beech Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 Another one? Surely not. Surely in this day of increased safety precautions and risk assessment the likelyhood of anything like this happening is nearly 0. It does beg the question, why has the number of accidents like this gone through the roof in the last 2 or 3 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seano Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Another one? Surely not.Did you watch the footage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbuckley Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 I'm beginning to formulate the general case reason for these things as "underestimating the force (or likelyhood) of nature". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benash Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Another one? Surely not. Surely in this day of increased safety precautions and risk assessment the likelyhood of anything like this happening is nearly 0. It does beg the question, why has the number of accidents like this gone through the roof in the last 2 or 3 years? Unfortunately a risk assessment is dependent on the quality of the information coming in. If we had perfect weather forecasts you could do a perfect risk assessment and this sort of thing would never happen. I imagine they started building that stage a few days before the storm, weather forecasts for the next 24 hours are frequently inaccurate, forecasts 3 days in advance are just an educated guess. On the other hand you could build every stage to withstand any possible weather conditions but it would cost a fortune. It seems to me you are better off building a stage that will handle 99.9% of possible conditions and then have a decent plan for how to deal with the other 0.1% including evacuations etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbsy Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Benash, I think you slightly misunderstand risk assessments. You wouldn't base the structure of a stage like that on a 3 day weather forecast ("the forecast said only light breezes and a few showers so we didn't have to make the stage full strength"). You'd base your structural design on a statistical "worst case" scenario. You wouldn't build a stage in Rio to handle tons of snow and freezing rain--but a tropical storm? Yup. In fact, sudden storms and torrential rain like that are not out of the ordinary in Rio so any RA should have taken account of that fact. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benash Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 I guess I wasn't particularly clear in my last post. My point is that when you are building something in real life there has to be some point (ie design conditions) where you draw the line and if the weather happens to cross that line, the stage is unsafe and you better run away. When people talk about safety they often talk about the worst case scenario. The thing is, to get a little silly about it, the worst case scenario (that has a historical precedent) is that a meteor hits the earth and obliterates all life... it's happened before, it'll happen again. What we really risk assess to is the worst case scenario that we think is likely to happen*. That stage in Rio would have been built (presumably) to handle a storm of a certain magnitude. Without knowing the specifics of the case it would be reasonable to assume that the storm they had may have been above the design limit for the stage. If that was the case then it's not really surprising that the stage collapsed. Given all that, what they really need is a clear evac plan so that when an unexpectedly large storm comes through everyone gets cleared off site, no one gets hurt and the insurance company deals with the damage. What I was getting at about forecasts is that given you can't build a stage that will handle every condition (or every possible condition, or every condition that there is historical precedent for) you are pretty much dependent on your the weather boffins to tell you if there is a storm on the way that will exceed your design conditions. If they say there is, you don't build the stage, if they say there isn't you go ahead and build it and hope like hell they are right. Perhaps this time they got it wrong. e2add *to some arbitrary likelihood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichM Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 They forgot to allow for the weight of Axl's ego Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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