Silvershads Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Hi Folks I have another thread running here regarding sound on stage but wanted to ask this question in a separate thread... Am I correct in the assumption that monitors should always be pre-fader rather than post-fader? I'm going to double check how we have the Yamaha MG24/14 set up but I'm pretty much of the opinion that we should be Pre-fader because surely we want the monitor circuit static when we're changing individual fader volume on desk. My assumption is that post-fader will have the effect of upping the volume of the monitors when we increase the volume of the fader, not something we want to happen... CheersChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbsy Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Exactly right. Monitors are pretty much always done pre-fader for reasons you suggest. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkPAman Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 If the desk is doing both FOH & mons then yes, it is best to run monitors pre fade, for the reasons you give. I thought you were going to be running another desk for mons? If so, post fade tends to be more normal, though there advantages to both ways & I'll often use a combination (given a desk that has switches to do that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvershads Posted March 23, 2009 Author Share Posted March 23, 2009 If the desk is doing both FOH & mons then yes, it is best to run monitors pre fade, for the reasons you give. I thought you were going to be running another desk for mons? If so, post fade tends to be more normal, though there advantages to both ways & I'll often use a combination (given a desk that has switches to do that).Thanks, folks - for the answer to this one. I thought that pre- was the way but wanted the word from the experts. Ta. Mark, nope - although we have two Sabine 2400s for feedback control, one for mains and one for monitors, we don't have a separate desk for monitors. There's no more space in the van! :) CheersChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crox Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 I was using an old Behringer desk last night that is always stuck on post fade ... thankfully I was able to mix using sub groups, and that it was a very basic set-up, otherwise I would keep on getting eyes from the band when their monitor mix would change ... Is there a desk where there is a changeable level on pre-post fade? i.e. I would like the Vox channels to be part post fade, but mainly pre fade. The changes in the monitor mix when changing a Vox channel from backing mix to primary is quite significant, but if someone did a desk where you could set the "post fade" effect on a channel then I imagine that it could do quite well! I would love to have a little bit of post fade on some channels, but most that I have seen are all or nothing ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trunker Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Depends what application. If you are doing live theatre and have to give the 'pit' vocals from the stage from the lavaliere mics, the aux sends have to be post fade, otherwise you will get all radio mics through there not just the ones from on stage which you wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Pearce Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Depends if you're muting the off mics or just pulling the fader down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulears Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 also, post fade on any sources that have to be faded - so backing tracks, or wild tracks that may need to be cut at certain points. It does make level setting a bit more tricky, but the ability to choose is the reason the button is there on each channel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trunker Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Depends if you're muting the off mics.................. Hmmmm, I would do this on a theatre show, you are likely to get pops and clicks, it don't sound good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Beech Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Maybe on that old behringer desk, but I don't have any problems with clicks and pops on channel mutes with any of mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trunker Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Soundcraft Live desks may have a problem as well. I always set my faders to 0dB and use the gain to balance the mic levels. I then fade the channels in and out using 0dB as my 'marker'. I find this way smoother and easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack-handy Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Soundcraft Live desks may have a problem as well. I always set my faders to 0dB and use the gain to balance the mic levels. I then fade the channels in and out using 0dB as my 'marker'. I find this way smoother and easier. No pops on my Live 4/2 - and, now that I've replaced the transformer mountings, the power supply doesn't hum for England any more either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trunker Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 I think it is all down to a clean mains supply weather the clicks/pops happen or not. Personally I use the faders. Muting channels during a musical when you have 12+ mics + overheads and boundaries is just looking for trouble, each to their own though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvershads Posted March 25, 2009 Author Share Posted March 25, 2009 also, post fade on any sources that have to be faded - so backing tracks, or wild tracks that may need to be cut at certain points. It does make level setting a bit more tricky, but the ability to choose is the reason the button is there on each channel.Paul, that makes absolute sense. Thanks. We do in fact do music clubs where we use our sound system and backing tracks are indeed a part of the whole. I'll remember that input from external sources like backing tracks and midi systems should be post-fader rather than pre- .. great! CheersChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightsource Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 We always mix monitors from the FOH position, and it's always pre-fader. That way you can sort all levels for the monitor mix without affecting FOH mix. We use a 31 band graphic eq on all monitors, so each can be configured individually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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