sah1510 Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Hello once more, I am purely intrigued as to what is out there. Our school has a number of events; mainly musicals, dance shows etc. These events are almost always filmed and (eventually!) burned to DVD. However, because we are a school, we are on a VERY locked down network (RM Community Connect - if you are interested). There are internal burners installed on all of the video editing machines. However we find that we cannot burn at all - adobe premiere insists that there is no burner present. This is especially annoying when we have 1 and a half weeks to edit and burn the school musical before the summer. So now to the question... are there any cheap-ish (few hundred pounds maybe??) dvd authoring, duplication and possibly labelling peripherals that are quite speedy? I apologise to the mods if this topic isn't particularly suited to the Blueroom. Thanks in advance, Scott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 We use Sony DVD Architect - I'm not really an expert in these matters, but it's always seemed pretty good to me. We also use Sony Vegas for video editing, and Google reveals that you can get a package featuring both of these products (albeit older versions - but perfectly useable) for under 500 notes. Kerching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkPAman Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 We use Sony DVD Architect - I'm not really an expert in these matters, but it's always seemed pretty good to me. We also use Sony Vegas for video editing, and Google reveals that you can get a package featuring both of these products (albeit older versions - but perfectly useable) for under 500 notes. Kerching. We use the same, on a laptop, so that RM stuff does not interfere with it. For small duplication runs we now have a robot arm thingy though that doesn't help with printing. An ex staff member now runs his own copy buisiness and handles larger runs for us. Disk with full colour printing come in at about £1 each, which seems OK to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.elsbury Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 Can't you talk to your IT guys and get them to sort it out for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sah1510 Posted January 14, 2008 Author Share Posted January 14, 2008 Can't you talk to your IT guys and get them to sort it out for you? Well yes, and I have. The thing is that it seems to be something that premiere is 'dumping' into the settings folder that is stopping us. It seems to be the software that is making the mistake, not the computer - That is what is what’s so annoying about it! All that he can really try now is to reset profiles if and when sort of thing. Our council brought in a policy that all laptops (even special needs ones!) have to be on the network. So unfortunately, that option is out! I was looking at this until I saw the price:http://www.amazon.com/XLNT-Idea-Nexis-100A...6795&sr=1-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shez Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 When we buy workstations for editing, they're not bought as computers, but as editing workstations. From my experience, as soon as you think of such a workstation as a computer, you're on to a loser. We don't have any daft must-be-networked rules here fortunately; our editing workstations are standalone and never used for anything else. View them as if they were not a computer-based system; it helped grease the wheels here.We use Liquid, which does editing & DVD authoring. Educational price is pretty decent and it does everything we need it to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olie Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 I was looking at this until I saw the price:http://www.amazon.com/XLNT-Idea-Nexis-100A...6795&sr=1-6 and that is probably the cheapest one you will find. I did quite a bit of research into this a few years back. You are looking around £2000 for any decent machine to do this. It all depends on your print runs and frequency of use. If they warrant a machine then get one but you need to budget about £2000. Otherwise out source it to a local distribution company. My church will do small print runs under 400 for 50p a CD at little notice, I am sure there must be a similar company near you. You also need to bear in mind that these machines are quite high maintenance. For a start you have to order the DVDs and ink but also I have had experience with a few different types of machines around £2000 mark and the robotics often go wrong or the PC stops talking to it. If you have a highly competent person then this is no problem. Another thing you need to bear in mind is that the price is just for the machine, you also need to allow for the cost of a PC to run it. Most manufacturers would recommend that they are run from a dedicated PC. I would go further than this and stipulate it. They just do not seem to like it when they do not have a whole computer at there mercy. Not sure why, this is just my experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulears Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 Video and audio professional software is not designed for the numpty laden school and college systems - they need free access to all sorts of things that locked down network machines won't let you do. We always used to buy this kind of specialist kit as a package and ensure as had been said that the word computer does not appear on any document, and then it gets left alone by the "you can't do that" brigade! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stagemanagement Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 If you are doing a couple of shows a year, at least, then I'd invest in a disc burner/ thermal printer unit for the school. They cost around £800-£1K, will do at least 100 discs in a single run (meaning you can put it on over lunch or the afternoon and return to find them burned and printed :) ).It should hook up straight into the computer via USB, leaving you with a very cost effective solution for producing DVD/ CD's of your shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sah1510 Posted January 14, 2008 Author Share Posted January 14, 2008 If you are doing a couple of shows a year, at least, then I'd invest in a disc burner/ thermal printer unit for the school. They cost around £800-£1K, will do at least 100 discs in a single run (meaning you can put it on over lunch or the afternoon and return to find them burned and printed :) ).It should hook up straight into the computer via USB, leaving you with a very cost effective solution for producing DVD/ CD's of your shows. May I enquire as to what you decided to go with / or what you would recommend? In response to everyone else, it would appear that I am getting roughly the same sort of feedback, which I suppose is a good thing! May I ask, paulears, when you say "numpty laden school and college systems" do you mean the extremely annoying and locked down computers and networks? Thank you very much to everyone who has contributed so far! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPlater1 Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 At our school, we have a suite of iMACS for video editing, but they have been networked to our CC3 network. Before the macs, we have used personal laptops and computers to get things done. I don't know the video software, but I would've thought that there will be ways of getting it to work fully. Also, I do agree that school networks are too locked down, especially RM CC3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRisdale Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 As you're a Premier user might I suggest that you look into it's sister program - Adobe Encore. I don't know how well it compares with the other programs listed, but I've been using it for a few years, in various versions without complaint. Menu systems, titles, video menus, encoding etc. are all possible. Interface is very similar to Premier so it's quite easy to pick up (as you'd expect). IIRC I once had a similar problem in terms of burning directly from Premier, on an "educational" PC, where no drive could be found. Adobe Premier 6.0 by any chance? Gareth(The other one :) ). Edited to correct suspect spelling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sah1510 Posted January 14, 2008 Author Share Posted January 14, 2008 IIRC I once had a similar problem in terms of burning directly from Premier, on an "educational" PC, where no drive could be found. Adobe Premier 6.0 by any chance? Nah... Premier Elements 2, so that might be around the time of Premier 6 (I think!! :unsure: ) I have looked into Encore... and it does look promising, but it may take some convincing for my school to buy it. ALternitavley I could always just save up and buy it myself! Thankyou. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peternewman Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 However, because we are a school, we are on a VERY locked down network (RM Community Connect - if you are interested). There are internal burners installed on all of the video editing machines. However we find that we cannot burn at all - adobe premiere insists that there is no burner present.The thing is that it seems to be something that premiere is 'dumping' into the settings folder that is stopping us.Firstly its a long time since I've admin-ed Community Connect, although I think it was also CC3 when I did, I can't remember exactly, but I think you can do local installs of stuff, which I'd imagine would get round the burner issue. Although your second post seems to imply to me that it may not be able to write temporary files of some sort when building the DVD before it burns it. Anyway if its the latter then you might possibly have some luck sticking a USB pen drive in if you could get Premiere to write to that for the temporary files or settings. I don't think CC3 was locked down that much to disallow that when I used it. Anyway this is a bit :unsure: and fairly hard to troubleshoot without more info, so your IT guys would be in a better position to do so anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sah1510 Posted January 15, 2008 Author Share Posted January 15, 2008 Thanks peternewman, I, and the IT guy, never though of doing anything like that. I shall ask him today and see what he thinks. Cheers! :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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