The Boogie Man Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Hi troops, as the title really. Is there any advantages to using the inserts over running inline? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Langfeld Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Using the inserts means your meters ring true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Pearce Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 On a FOH desk I usually put the main mix EQ inline as if I then monitor the main mix on headphones it isn't affected by the eq (that is compensating for room acoustics). For monitors I will always have the eq on an insert as I can them monitor the artists mix with the eq in circuit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Ross Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 If you have your EQ on inserts then you can yank it if the EQ fails mid show without having to repatch, so for that reason (and others) I tend to put them on the main inserts Just my 0.02p worth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Pearce Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 I'd like to add, in agreement with Ben, that if using compression over the mix (very rare for me) I'd put it on inserts so I can keep an eye on it using the meters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Boogie Man Posted January 10, 2008 Author Share Posted January 10, 2008 Cheers. I see the merit of putting a comp/lim on the inserts as yes it does affert the end result with make up gain etc. I'm not so certain about eq as I only use it for room adjustments, and then only cutting, so the only difference between the main L+R and the foh sound maybe and slight loss at certain freqs. But I have to say the repatching due to failure of an eq sounds logical, although my fbq goes into hard bypass on power loss so I'm not certain if the signal would be lost. Would anything be lost if the main inserts are unbalanced and the main out are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan slv-tech Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 hi well the obvious difference running it via inserts is that processing is done before the output faders therefore assuming you have good level on the busses/main mix your get any processing at optimal level as apposed to running it inline which mean compression or eq only works relative to the output level you send from your mixer EQ should be really run insert, compression is upto the user depending on desired effect hope this makes sense dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Boogie Man Posted January 10, 2008 Author Share Posted January 10, 2008 Actually it does make sense. Running L+R out at exactly 0db and using the amps as final control would mean the eq getting a full signal, but vice versa and it is recieving an already attenuated signal. Food for thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan slv-tech Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 well actually your master L+R guvern the overall level, this how I was trained to run systems, and indeed how I run ones I engineer, makes sense really for the reason you say, and as for monitoring output signal thats what PFL/AFL are for- dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mervaka Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 this thread reminded me, I need to tear out my inline stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Ross Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 Would anything be lost if the main inserts are unbalanced and the main out are? Over such a short run I would not expect to notice any interference or degradation of the signal, Sometimes I have to patch my EQ to run over the L+R as opposed to as an insert and it sounds good both ways I just prefer to run it as an insert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Boogie Man Posted January 11, 2008 Author Share Posted January 11, 2008 I put the eq on the inserts last night, whilst I was learning to use the afl and other bits and bobs. All I could think was this really sounds very quiet, and not very nice. Then I thought, could the shelving filters or the limiters on the eq be responsible. Nope, but changing round the tip ring going into it did ** laughs out loud **, no matter how old you get eh!!baz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mervaka Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 check your gain structure. with all the EQ knobs zeroed off, there shouldnt be any difference in level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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