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Right guys, everything is working well, but I have discovered a programming 'situation' that I'm sure is probs me and not the desk, but here goes.. My backing plays track sections 'until next marker' in the daw. So all is good until it reaches a marker and stops sending midi to the xls. I have looked into the xls manual and by using PA (preset A) in midi in slave mode it can be programmed to send out a signal after it stops receiving midi. My question is does anyone know the procedure for this, as I have tried everything in the manual and can't seem to get it to respond. It says: switch to midi in / slave. Scroll to PA then using the add step or go button set the delay time for the desk to respond to no midi input. I have then set up a light on preset A, I've pressed go, I've held go. I've left it in midi mode, switched to run and then preset. I can't seem to get it to register. Has anyone used this feature and could advise if I'm doing something wrong? Cheers Baz
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Hi guys, I stripped off the board to see under the battery and it all looked good. Whilst I was inside I clipped several faders back into their housings and cleaned out any dust etc. When I switched it back on there were no error codes, so I plugged in some pars and kerrching there was light. We're up and running. Great call guys. 20230322_152233.mp4
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Ok, I'll have a look at the GM fader. Quite a few of them have a definate 'notch' in them. I'll see if I can lift the board with the battery on it and get a pic. I am also watching an xl on ebay, so I may chase that whilst I look into fixing this one. If anyone is wondering why I am bothering with a 90s board over a modern rack unit for my show, it is because these type of boards can do midi using the keyboard notation on my comp as well as using the velocity (1-127) to set the scene levels. Most of the modern boards (in my price range) that I have seen only receive note on messages.
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some pics of the inside from today. I also did a super user desk reset, which then said clear, so I assume it worked. but nothing changed. As everything on the desk seems to do what it is supposed to do, but no emit light I was begining to question whether I had something set wrong on my lights, but no matter whhat channel I set the dimmer packs to receive on nothing comes from the desk. I noticed that in preview I can see the yellow leds light, but in preset the green ones don't light up. Hope the pics shed some light (no pun intended) One thing I have just spotted the DMX output jack has 3 wires, but is 5 pin out. I have a 5 to 3 pin adapter plugged in that then goes to 3 pin dimmers, problem? Cheers Baz
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Ok, so first check is the battery, will do. Is there any other problem that might be the reason for no DMX output? I can see chases playing on the desk and I can access the different parts of the desk. It all appears to be doing something, I just carn't see any of it outside of the desk. Cheers and thanks for the replies.
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Hi all, I recently got a zero 88 xls from ebay that is showing error codes. I just wondered if anyone could tell me if the problem they describe is terminal or fixable? I've included pictures of both the desk error codes and the manuals description of them. Anyone make head or tail of what it is telling me and if there is something to be done to fix, or is it now a boat anchor? Cheers Baz
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Hi all, sorry for the delay getting back on here about this (comp has been down for awhile) Whilst I was researching 'program changes' for switching patches on my guitar amps (boss gx 700) using midi progam changes in cubase, I worked out that it is quite easy to do. A basic lighting desk with midi in that can have it's scenes and chases switched via mid should do. Reading back now through the previous posts I see that Tim had already suggested this approach. Cheers all for the input.
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Haha, that is actually the only part that wouldn't bother me. I did have audio for the bass and drums in cubase, but found out that if it was midi then it stayed with cubase when it was swapped to another comp (and stayed in time when the tempo was altered.) So I sat and hand wrote the bass lines and drum sections in midi to the time line. I have the backing tracks to 0ver 30 tunes in midi on one time line. I've been doing it for so long now I can recognize a song just by the 'shape' of the midi notes. Haha. Soo sad.
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Hmm, I see what you are saying Tim. I had been trying to avoid having more software on the comp as my connection to the ff800 is firewire and most software now is usb. I do only have 2 led par cans as uplighters on the floor, so if I changed them for conventional pars I would only have two bars of r gr bl yw cans paired for either side of the small stage, two pars (red) as floor uplighters and I did have 4 small par can white spots (two either side) but if I cut that to two the floor pars could use the two spare dimmers. That would be only 6 individual channels. What maybe the crux though is, are you saying that if I set each dimmer to receive a midi note, via a cheap desk or midi/DMX convertor, that as the midi channel played over 4 notes together in the timeline to say, flash 4 lights, only one light would receive a signal?
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Hi Tim, I only have basic par cans and led par cans. So, thinking about what you're saying the functions of a cheaper desk would probably suffice. What I am picturing in my head is the ability to write in a midi channel in cubase the lighting changes for the song, so all I would need is to be able to click on a note, say c# or whatever and a single par lights up. Then once a par can is mapped to a note I can write the 'scenes' and 'chases' in cubase to fit the tune. I've thought about a back up from a desk if all went 'breasts skywards' with the comp and decided that just the sound to light on the dimer packs would do in an emergency.
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If you are wedded to the idea of a laptop then it will allways be a problem. If you can live with a sff desktop then all is good. I have two ff800s that I love and refuse to part with, so anytime I want to do anything with a new comp I just buy a pcie firewire TI chipset card and pop it in the back. I know I should leave the stone age and go laptop usb for backing, but the ff800 have no latency and sound killer.
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It maybe of no use to you whatsoever, but when I went through this scenario of adding backing tracks to an acoustic show a few years ago, I couldn't find anything that played reliably or in good enough quality. I tried boss loopers and stand alone players, but in the end I used one of my old comps running cubase 5 into a fireface800. I use midi instrument tracks for backing so I have individual tracks at 24/96 for mixing at foh and I control it by using the commands in cubase. I set markers and have the space bar as a command to 'play to next marker.' To get round the foot control issue, I opened up a keyboard and added a foot switch to issue the command. It works well, I have it going to an old allen and heath mixer, but the outputs from the ff800 could just as easily go straight to amps on stage.
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I've been away awhile so if this has been covered before, my apologies. I'm curious as to how high up from base level lighting desks would I have to go to be able to implement midi changes within cubase to have control of a lighting desk or DMX controller. I know that most take 'midi note on' messages to activate scenes, chases etc, but I'm wondering about control messages from a midi channel in cubase. I know I could use dmxis or another software prog to do exactly this within the comp, but I want to be able to have a desk that can continue if the comp goes down and I lose the backing tracks and 'go acoustic.' Plus most of the software to hardware convertors I have seen have been usb from the comp, which would seem like doing the job twice as I currently have all midi tracks for backing in cubase flowing through a ff800 via firewire that has a good midi out. I have thought about a midi to DMX box like the old deccabox, but can't seem to find any for sale anymore. I used to have a jester to run the lights, but I didn't use a comp for backing back then, so just ran it via a footswitch. Cheers Baz