skywatcher Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 Hi All, I have just purchased a Genie AWP25 powered access platform for the University where I am the TM. For those of you who don't know these machines are have a powered platform but are not driveable, you have to get out and push to move them around. My question is, I have been told that these days you need a license to use one. I worked for a local authority for 10 years with one of these machines and we certainly didn't need one then, has something changed or is the sales company trying to get even more cash out of me? Also anyone know someone who wants an old talescope for free? Scrap only obviously! Thanks in advance,Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Dave Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 You need an IPAF PAL license to operate any MEWP. Its required normally for insurance purposes and shows that you have be trained to safely operate the machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skywatcher Posted February 27, 2004 Author Share Posted February 27, 2004 Thanks Dave, Do you have any idea of what I should be paying for this? I have been quoted £750 which seems alot to me? CheersRob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Dave Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 WOW, thats alot although it depends how many people your training and on which bits of equipment. It certainaly didn't cost me anywhere near that! You best bet is to look in the training section of the IPAF website and call a couple of the training companies near where you are based and get them to quote you. As far as I am aware, the course costs are pretty standardised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianl Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 It depends how many people you want trained, It cost me £800 for a trainer to come to me for a day and I got 8 people trained. the training consists of a half day teaching theory, this covers all types of platforms (scissor lift and drive round booms etc)and a lot of it is not relevant if you are just using a platform like you describe. then a half day of hands on using the platform. Whilst it is not law that you must have a ipaf licence it is widley recognised as a way of proving you have recieved suitable training and as Dave said some insurance companies will insist on it. with this in mind and also bearing in mind that a lot of the ipaf training on this type of platform is to do with checking the battery, setting the machine up , fitting the outriggers and how to use the emergency release. I am trying to persuade the insurers that the person in the tower could attend a much simpler in house training session ( dont press up when you are just under the roof, wear a hard hat, dont get out when its up , dont drop tools, dont lean out should cover it) as long as the tower is supervised by a ipaf licence holder I would much prefer to have a fully trained supervisor who stays on the ground and a number of basic trained people who go up and down in rotation so they dont get tired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Higgs Posted March 20, 2004 Share Posted March 20, 2004 WOW, thats alot although it depends how many people your training and on which bits of equipment. It certainaly didn't cost me anywhere near that! You best bet is to look in the training section of the IPAF website and call a couple of the training companies near where you are based and get them to quote you. As far as I am aware, the course costs are pretty standardised.Not for a second suggesting you should not get some training, but I think that the machine referred to is not technically a MEWP.IPAF is the powered access federation. Do they supply training for such machines? Training is required to be considered, designed, provided and repeated as necessary by the employer/self employed because it part of a work activity (Management regs and HaSaWa) and uses work equipment (PUWER and LOLER). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryson Posted March 20, 2004 Share Posted March 20, 2004 It depends on your definition of MEWP: Does "mobile elevated work platform" mean it's mobile while it's elevated, or just mobile generally? It's splitting hairs - in general, people do use MEWP to mean these genie platforms that don't move while your elevated. As Chris implies, I'm pretty sure you should have a licence to operate one - whether it's a named "legal" requirement or not. IPAF don't do the training themselves, but they do certify the training and keep a good list of training providers. We use Access Platform Sales, in Huntingdon, but as I recall they don't have a proper website. Bryson (Currently running a Genie IWP20s, w/outreach & powered wheel assist) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianl Posted March 21, 2004 Share Posted March 21, 2004 IPAF is the powered access federation. Do they supply training for such machines?I have an IPAF licence and one of the catagories I have on it is VPP, (ie what we are talking about. ) admitedly the trainer we had knew very little about them and learnt more than we did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 Hi All Just a thought. Does an old fashioned non-motorised Genie, yes I do mean the wind up and down ones, require a licenced operator? Regards Gnome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 On a slight tangent, I was told recently that you have to retake the MEWP test every six months for pickers etc. Is this true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmonk Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 I vaguely remember but cant quite remember from where, that the licenses were vaild for two years, then you renew them... Will check and find for sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilf dLampy Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 My IPAF certificate expires 5 years after I did the "test". Thats valid for SPB (Self-propelled boom) and VPP (Vertical Personnel Platform- i.e. whoosh tower) classes. http://www.ipaf.org/training/pal.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmonk Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 Universal Platforms Training Licenses are valid for 3years after the test... ( so was only a year out in my other post ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Dave Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 The IPAF PAL is valid for 5 years. The reasoning behind this is that the H&S requirements/legislation are more than likely to change over this period and so its more of an update. If your log book shows you have a lot of experience, you only need to resit the theory part of the test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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