sguy42 Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 Yes they are horrid! the square gates I mean. I've rebuilt the units to use with narrow lens tubes as specials and for use with gobo's - so I think I will take tehm out. Just interested why they might have been introducedThe P23 with a square gate was a version of the Mark 1 (the P23S), they should also have an adjustable lamp position and an unfaceted rear reflector, the Mark 2 also have shutters but a traditional gate, fixed lamp position and a faceted rear reflector. shane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakwarden Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 The P23 with a square gate was a version of the Mark 1 (the P23S), they should also have an adjustable lamp position and an unfaceted rear reflector, the Mark 2 also have shutters but a traditional gate, fixed lamp position and a faceted rear reflector Yes that all seems to fit, but I get a suare edged beam - is this what it was designed for or have I ended up with the gate in the wrong position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robloxley Posted January 15, 2004 Share Posted January 15, 2004 no but the minuettes are alright!though the profiles seem to do sweet 'FA'Sadly most people have the standard reflector MinPros - the condenser ones with the front-silvered glass mirrors are phenomenally better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMeG Posted February 13, 2004 Author Share Posted February 13, 2004 Hi - allow me to bring this thread back to its original concern... A little odd - after accepting the theory that my schools P23s were actually Furse copies (it made sense as we had some other Furse lanterns kicking around and we rarely posess anthing of good quality) I was shocked, when rigging some for a school disco yesterday, to see the strand logo cast into the back of the lantern!! What on earth is going on - the frames still don't fit! Te mystery continues... JAMIE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jivemaster Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 And you think a MFR was difficult, my uni took over the BBC Gosta Green studios. All the studio light was 115 volts and there were fresnels to 10Kw on individual trapezes, you aimed them then let the cable rest awhile to see where they pointed then!! My school had two stages one furse equipped one strand, big resistive dimmers 750W+/- 1/3 six dimmers for each 24 chan board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 As far as I understand it some of the Furse strand copies were just that - the strand moldings even in some cases with the strand logo! James (waiting to be corrected but sure I've heard this before) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delicolor Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 The worst Furse lantern ever was the SPK (Spotpak). It was fine as a teaching aid but basically a lamp in a box with slot in aperture plate and choice of front lenses. The Fresnel mode was like a sad patt. 45, the profile mode like a dirty patt 45 original (Focus Lantern). The best lantern Furse ever made was the Frenca, 1k fresnel with 10" lens, a 223 on steroids. There were hundreds of them made for Moss Empires, FOH with spill rings, no less. Furse generally sold them a board to go with it, a sort of variety "zing" treatment. There are a number of genuine Patt 23s around with Furse in the back casting, from the very early days of Strand production when they used to badge them for Furse. (There was a plug in the mould so the production run could match the "maker"). When it became a big success, Strand stopped supplying them so Furse designed their own clones. They may be nasty but the Major ones were much, much worse. Furse had dabbled with Stage Lighting as part of their Electrical Contract work and did very well with Cinemas, but got the dimmers from micklewright, then later Blackburn starling (the two most famous controls were the Royal College of Music and Stanford Hall). Post war, Holophane decided to concentrate on decorative lighting so Furse effectively bought the business, picking up Rollo G Williams & Fags Faraday in the process. They did one or two Holophane auto-selective system clones, then developed the Delicolor system in the 50s. Rollo went on to work in America & Fags stayed in Nottingham until retirement in the 80s. Furse pretty much turned their hand to anything, although I couldn't find any evidence of them having developed a Carbon Arc based Lime. There was a mention of the various Divisions in a previous post, there was also a "Frigidaire" Division. The Theatre bit appeared to get passed from pillar to post within the Company because it was so specialist and variable. It was a condition of the CCT purchase that the Furse name could only be used for a set period and when CCT Theatre Lighting went into receivership & re-emerged as CCT Lighting, permission was withdrawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sguy42 Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 Yes that all seems to fit, but I get a suare edged beam - is this what it was designed for or have I ended up with the gate in the wrong position?Yes, That's how they were designed, I've always presumed they were for 'specials' where straight edged beams were required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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