cjd572 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 I was wondering if someone could answer a question about moving lights? I've not used them before hence the question. Do all moving lights such as Martin Mac 500 profile lights have shutters that you can adjust to 'shutter off' where light is not needed, similar to how you would with an ETC source 4 profile light? If so, could anyone recommend some please? (I'm looking for second hand ones). Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csg Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 very few moving lights actually have shutters - an iris and zoom optics are much more common. Vari*lite VL1000 series are probably the most affordable used units on the market that have a shutter system, and that are designed for theatrical use. there are tungsten and discharge lamped variants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niclights Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 There are actually quite a large number that have framing shutters. Whether or not you can get these second hand is another matter though. Some examples: Martin Mac 2000 PerformanceMartin Mac Encore PerformanceMartin Mac III PerformanceMartin Mac Viper Performance Chauvet Maverick MK2 Profile Clay Paky Alpha Profile 700Clay Paky Alpha Profile 800STClay Paky Alpha Profile 1200Clay Paky Alpha Profile 1500Clay Paky Axcor Profile 400Clay Paky Axcor Profile 600Clay Paky Axcor Profile 900Clay Paky Scenius ProfileClay Paky Stage Profile Plus SV Coemar iProfile Flex DTS Synergy 5 Profile Elation Platinum Profile 35 ProElation Platinum Profile LEDElation Satura Profile High End SolaFrame 750High End SolaFrame 1500High End SolaFrame 2000High End SolaSpot Pro 1500High End SolaTheatre Prolights Aria 400 ProfileProlights Luma 1500 SH Robe Robin DL4S ProfileRobe Robin DL7S ProfileRobe Robin DLS ProfileRobe Robin T1 Profile SGM Giotto Profile 400SGM G-Profile Varilite VL2600 ProfileVarilite VL3500 SpotVarilite VL3515 SpotVarilite VL4000 SpotVarilite VLZ Profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csg Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 yes, but still a small proportion of the unis on the market, and an even smaller selection available on the used market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmeh2 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Hi OP would do well to tell us what it's for, as better advice could be given - assuming it's not a homework question. All the best Timmeh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty N Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 If you don't need light and the mover lacks a shutter how bout zeroing out the intensity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alistermorton Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 I'm kind of guessing in this context the reference to shutters is framing shutters, different to the dimmer shutters as used on discharge lamps (where you can't alter the intensity). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjd572 Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 Hi, so I'm looking at being able to shutter off to the shape of the area I need lit as you would with a source four for example, rather than just dimming the output. potentially using it as a loose follow spot as well just to highlight a particular person or object.Hi OP would do well to tell us what it's for, as better advice could be given - assuming it's not a homework question. All the best Timmeh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
empyfree Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Hi, so I'm looking at being able to shutter off to the shape of the area I need lit as you would with a source four for example, rather than just dimming the output. potentially using it as a loose follow spot as well just to highlight a particular person or object.Hi OP would do well to tell us what it's for, as better advice could be given - assuming it's not a homework question. All the best TimmehOk, so generally the feature you’re looking for is called “framing shutters” when referring to moving lights. This tends to be a feature of higher end lights specifically aimed at the theatre market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GridGirl Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Hi, so I'm looking at being able to shutter off to the shape of the area I need lit as you would with a source four for example, rather than just dimming the output. potentially using it as a loose follow spot as well just to highlight a particular person or object.Hi OP would do well to tell us what it's for, as better advice could be given - assuming it's not a homework question. All the best Timmeh Just a heads up - using movers as followspots is fraught, to say the least. I work for a national opera company and we tried this (with a system where performers wear transmitters and the units get their positions from that) on a huge new production of Aida and it quite simply didn't work well enough - it got cut partway through stage rehearsals and actual spot operators were hurriedly brought on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmeh2 Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Hi We've tried that on a few ships and it just wasn't accurate enough. It wasn't even close and the system has never been implemented in a live scenario. I have, however, seen modified Mac2000s being used as followspots, with pan and tilt belts removed and a handle bolted onto the yoke through the tilt hub... less than ideal but it was better than nothing. All the bestTimmeh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timsabre Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Hi We've tried that on a few ships and it just wasn't accurate enough. It wasn't even close and the system has never been implemented in a live scenario. I have, however, seen modified Mac2000s being used as followspots, with pan and tilt belts removed and a handle bolted onto the yoke through the tilt hub... less than ideal but it was better than nothing. A number of units offer manual follow spot mode as a menu option. Robe BMFL definitely has the option - they even supply the handles. It's handy in a lot of ways because the console can control brightness, colour etc and the user just has to aim. Not sure how you do iris though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alistermorton Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 AC were demoing a system to use movers as follow spots at PLASA but it didn't look particularly easy to use and it wasn't automatic. There's a reason most places still have follow spot operators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Remo Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Hi We've tried that on a few ships and it just wasn't accurate enough. It wasn't even close and the system has never been implemented in a live scenario. *snip*Not sure how you do iris though? See David Byrne’s current show for good use of automated followspot tech. For the Robe bmfl you want the light master control add on https://www.robe.cz/bmfl-lightmaster-siderear/ Hi We've tried that on a few ships and it just wasn't accurate enough. It wasn't even close and the system has never been implemented in a live scenario. I have, however, seen modified Mac2000s being used as followspots, with pan and tilt belts removed and a handle bolted onto the yoke through the tilt hub... less than ideal but it was better than nothing. A number of units offer manual follow spot mode as a menu option. Robe BMFL definitely has the option - they even supply the handles. It's handy in a lot of ways because the console can control brightness, colour etc and the user just has to aim. Not sure how you do iris though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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