Ken Coker Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 ComradesAny recommendations for a reliable, medium priced LED profile? Something the equivalent of a SF Junior or Minuette profile. Church hall/amateur use.ThanksKC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timsabre Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Any recommendations for a reliable, medium priced LED profile? Something the equivalent of a SF Junior or Minuette profile. Church hall/amateur use. Assuming you're thinking of white, not rgb mixing, this is something that I have also been looking at, I have a list of interesting fixtures but have not yet been able to see any of them in the flesh... if anyone has tried them I would be interested to hear reviews this one is £569 (100W led)http://lighthouseaudiovisual.co.uk/elumen8-pf-100-led-profile-ww-gobo-theatre-spot-116537-p.asp this one is £457 (150W led)http://www.thomann.de/gb/varytec_led_profile_150w_3200k.htm Elation also do a source-4 lookalike "WW profile" but it is a lot more expensive at over £1000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 I'd say that single-colour LED is unlikely to be suitable, as they gel funny (though Lee's special CL series help a lot on some fixtures), and are rather dim at the medium-low price end. In almost all live production cases, you're better off with tungsten than white LED. Architectural and general lighting is a different matter of course. The ETC ColorSource Spot is the LED "equivalent" of S4 jr.Takes the exact same lens tubes as the Source Four Tungsten and LED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timsabre Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 I'd say that single-colour LED is unlikely to be suitable, as they gel funny (though Lee's special CL series help a lot on some fixtures), and are rather dim at the medium-low price end.In almost all live production cases, you're better off with tungsten than white LED. Architectural and general lighting is a different matter of course. I dunno about this, for village hall type use the 80% power reduction is often very useful if everything is running from 13A sockets. And most profiles in such shows just run in open white, though I agree about the colour rendering.Assuming the much higher purchase price is a possibility of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Coker Posted June 14, 2016 Author Share Posted June 14, 2016 1465903262[/url]' post='539674'] this one is £457 (150W led)http://www.thomann.d..._150w_3200k.htm Elation also do a source-4 lookalike "WW profile" but it is a lot more expensive at over £1000 Yes...been looking at that; 2700 Lux at 4 metre. There's a ChauvetDJ profile which is cheap, but the photometrics are not great..https://www.chauvetdj.com/products/eve-e-100z/There's a Prolights fixture that's hove into view and I'm just getting a price on it.KC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 .The ETC ColorSource Spot is the LED "equivalent" of S4 jr. ... and is pretty damned impressive, too. IMHO. FWIW. Etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinntec Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 I am surprised no-one has mentioned ETC's Source 4WRD which retrofits a (tungsten white) LED lamp into a conventional S4 (but doesn't fit a Jnr) and is said to be as bright as a 575W S4. You might be able to get the S4 bodies fairly cheaply second hand, the 4WRD is about £700 I believe. Tomo can probably fill in the gaps. At my tiny theatre we use the Philips Selecon PLPROFILE1 which is 4 colour and probably a bit cheaper than most of the other reputable brands, with output similar to a 500W Acclaim profile (with which it shares lenses). Stone cold operation and projects acetate gobos no problem. Whichever ones you like the look of on paper, assuming you are thinking of buying multiple units, get in touch with your local supplier to bring some lanterns down to do a demo on-site, or at their premises if that is not convenient and judge for yourself. Also be clear if you want natural white light and/or colours as it makes a difference to the choices as a church probably would want white but "amateur" suggests a second use of the same units which probably would be better with colour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexforey Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 I've seen and plan on using ColorSource Spots for one of my upcoming shows. They are very very impressive for the price, brighter than the Lustr Series 2, although less subtle. They go for about £730 online (http://shopwl.com/colorsource-ce-spot-light-engine-xlr-black/) without a lens tube, although I imagine they'd be significantly less if ordering larger quantities from your dealer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Beesley Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 this one is £569 (100W led)http://lighthouseaudiovisual.co.uk/elumen8-pf-100-led-profile-ww-gobo-theatre-spot-116537-p.asp Ken, if you need a demo of this unit let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 I am surprised no-one has mentioned ETC's Source 4WRD which retrofits a (tungsten white) LED lamp into a conventional S4 (but doesn't fit a Jnr) and is said to be as bright as a 575W S4. You might be able to get the S4 bodies fairly cheaply second hand, the 4WRD is about £700 I believe. Tomo can probably fill in the gaps.We see Source 4WRD as primarily architectural - as mentioned above, I don't really see "just white" LED as being generally suitable for theatrical use.Obviously there are exceptions and most of you can come up with a situation where "just white" is perfect! At present the Source 4WRD is only available in a 110/120V UL version for US, Canada etc. Obviously a 230/240V CE version will come as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny_makinlightin Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 We have just taken delivery of some Prolights Eclipse's. Like an ETC Lustr 2 but cheaper. Great fixture for the money. About half the price of the ETC fixture. AC Entertainment Tech distribute them in the UK. http://www.ac-et.com/lighting/products/led/profile_1037/PROECLIPSEFC.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard CSL Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Any recommendations for a reliable, medium priced LED profile? Something the equivalent of a SF Junior or Minuette profile. Church hall/amateur use. Assuming you're thinking of white, not rgb mixing, this is something that I have also been looking at, I have a list of interesting fixtures but have not yet been able to see any of them in the flesh... if anyone has tried them I would be interested to hear reviews this one is £569 (100W led)http://lighthouseaud...ot-116537-p.asp this one is £457 (150W led)http://www.thomann.d..._150w_3200k.htm Elation also do a source-4 lookalike "WW profile" but it is a lot more expensive at over £1000 Hi Tim we have just used the Elation Source 4 lookalike on a ship, I don't know the exact model but ours had RGB mixing, We removed several ETC profiles and replaced with the Elation model, on programming we discovered they were so powerful we had to under run them at only 10%. I think we removed 60 wash and profiles, and replaced with just 16 profiles, We could have probably got away with 8. I have to say they are expensive $2000 (approx.) but they do have an Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. factor. And saturated colours were amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timsabre Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Hi Tim we have just used the Elation Source 4 lookalike on a ship, I don't know the exact model but ours had RGB mixing, We removed several ETC profiles and replaced with the Elation model, on programming we discovered they were so powerful we had to under run them at only 10%. I think we removed 60 wash and profiles, and replaced with just 16 profiles, We could have probably got away with 8.I have to say they are expensive $2000 (approx.) but they do have an Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. factor. And saturated colours were amazing. What was the dimming like at 10% then? Some units I've used are very steppy down at that level so even a very small change in the brightness level drastically changes the colour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard CSL Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Hi Tim we have just used the Elation Source 4 lookalike on a ship, I don't know the exact model but ours had RGB mixing, We removed several ETC profiles and replaced with the Elation model, on programming we discovered they were so powerful we had to under run them at only 10%. I think we removed 60 wash and profiles, and replaced with just 16 profiles, We could have probably got away with 8.I have to say they are expensive $2000 (approx.) but they do have an Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. factor. And saturated colours were amazing. What was the dimming like at 10% then? Some units I've used are very steppy down at that level so even a very small change in the brightness level drastically changes the colour. The dimming was very smooth Elation have excelled themselves on this one. The only downside is the shadow has a rainbow effect due to the multiple emitters, not horribly noticeable, but noticeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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