sennheiser em100 g2

[warnaldo]

Hello,

 

hopefully someone can help me please.

I have just received a sennheiser em100 g2 rack mounted receiver with the sk100 transmitter, clip on mike and power pack.

My problem is that I need a quick guide on how to use it at music gigs whilst filming with a canon xm1 camera.

 

What do I attach the receiver to-the camera or the dj sound system?

What about the tranmitter?

I am very confused.

please help,

 

thanks

[Shez]

Can you explain in a little more detail exactly what your application is?

 

Where are you trying to get sound from and where are you trying to get it to?

[paulears]

your canon can take in twin channel audio via the small 3.5mm socket, which replaces the sound from the internal mic. What I'd normally suggest is that you record the internal mic, for picking up the room sound (if you need it) on one channel and your receiver from the radio mic on the other. In your case this is a problem - just a single socket.

 

As you've not given any details as to what you want to do, we're guessing. You mention DJ? you have a clip on mic, and a DJ playing music? results will be pretty grim. Did you buy an omni or cardioid mic (a mic with a '2' in the number will be omni, and a '4' indicates cardioid).

 

If you are a bit out of your depth, did somebody select this kit for you? With a camcorder, you'd normally have a battery powered receiver so you can move - but you have a mains one?

 

I think you'd better let us have as many details about what you want to do, where it will be done, and what the end result should be - then we can help more.

Paul

[warnaldo]

Thanks for your quick responses.

What I originally planned to do was video weddings with wireless mic system so I mistakenly chose the Sennheiser G2 100 series with a rack mounted receiver instead of a camera mounted receiver.

When I recived the product I realised my mistake, but as I also film theatre and music gig events I thought that I could still use the rack mounted receiver. I found a fantastic tutorial on using the sennheiser g2 with a camera mounted receiver so I am now going to buy just the EK100 so that I can use the system, but I cannot find any info on how to use the rack mounted receiver EM100.

 

I will still be filming the gigs and theatre but what do you guys suggest regarding capturing the sound?

 

thanks again

[paulears]

well, most people with cameras like yours use a Beachtek info here adaptor to enable a bit better controlo over audio. Your camera has a stereo socket, and it's internal limiter is a bit crude and pretty well expects similar input on each channel - as you'd get from a stereo mic. The adaptors give you control over levels, a better limiter and phantom power for professional mics. As I mentioned, what you really need is the room sound which is important for your gigs and theatre (which I do, a lot). I see a few firms like me, and one notable one specialises in cheap(ish) recordings of dance shows etc. What they do is record room sound onto the left track, and they have a sennheiser handheld mic which they put on the stage edge, and record via a reciever (like the one you mention) onto the right track. During editing, they mix the two together, and time slip the room mic track to align with the stage edge mic. It works, but audio quality is a bit compromised.

 

When I do these things, I take a desk feed from the audio mixer, and send that to the camera(s) - I have one of the plug in transmitters that I stick into a desk output, and then record that on all the cameras I have in use.

 

I can't comment too much on weddings as I never do them - far too much work for the money!

 

Sound on consumer cameras is always a problem - the quality is there, but the daft connectors just make for unreliability. 3.5mm sockets are frequently soldered direct to the main board, or a small daughter board, and using adaptors into them is a really bad idea as they can get pulled and snap off the socket internally! If you don't fancy the Beachtek style product, you can easily make up a small lightweight cable with an end to go into your receiver, and maybe an XLR type socket (wired for unbalanced operation) for an extrenal dynamic, or internally powered condenser - however, you need to have a set of headphones to get the levels right. As they tend to pair up the internal gain, a loud output from the radio receiver, will duck the level down, taking with it the weaker signal from the mic. So dropping the level on the radio receiver lets the camera try to balance them up. To be fair, much of your recording technique is determined by how you are going to edit and what facilities the editor has.

[warnaldo]

well, most people with cameras like yours use a Beachtek info here adaptor to enable a bit better controlo over audio. Your camera has a stereo socket, and it's internal limiter is a bit crude and pretty well expects similar input on each channel - as you'd get from a stereo mic. The adaptors give you control over levels, a better limiter and phantom power for professional mics. As I mentioned, what you really need is the room sound which is important for your gigs and theatre (which I do, a lot). I see a few firms like me, and one notable one specialises in cheap(ish) recordings of dance shows etc. What they do is record room sound onto the left track, and they have a sennheiser handheld mic which they put on the stage edge, and record via a reciever (like the one you mention) onto the right track. During editing, they mix the two together, and time slip the room mic track to align with the stage edge mic. It works, but audio quality is a bit compromised.

 

When I do these things, I take a desk feed from the audio mixer, and send that to the camera(s) - I have one of the plug in transmitters that I stick into a desk output, and then record that on all the cameras I have in use.

 

I can't comment too much on weddings as I never do them - far too much work for the money!

 

Sound on consumer cameras is always a problem - the quality is there, but the daft connectors just make for unreliability. 3.5mm sockets are frequently soldered direct to the main board, or a small daughter board, and using adaptors into them is a really bad idea as they can get pulled and snap off the socket internally! If you don't fancy the Beachtek style product, you can easily make up a small lightweight cable with an end to go into your receiver, and maybe an XLR type socket (wired for unbalanced operation) for an extrenal dynamic, or internally powered condenser - however, you need to have a set of headphones to get the levels right. As they tend to pair up the internal gain, a loud output from the radio receiver, will duck the level down, taking with it the weaker signal from the mic. So dropping the level on the radio receiver lets the camera try to balance them up. To be fair, much of your recording technique is determined by how you are going to edit and what facilities the editor has.

 

 

Yes I use beachtec as well.

Can you see any use for me in using the EM100 G2?

I know that the EM100 can connect to my camera but can I connect it to a sound deck as well so that I am recording this sound at a concert and it is recording to the camera. If this is the case, then I would not need the transmitter and mic as well for this purpose or am I wrong?