paulears Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 I've been upgrading some computers and over Christmas stuck windows 10 on a machine as a temporary fix while I was away, and I've now dismantled that one, and put the windows 10 dongle into the new machine and installed it. Got it done, and when it restarted there it was. The empty machine, with just windows on it has the desktop picture from one of my other machines. Not the machine I stuck Windows 10 on, another running windows 8.1? It also asks for a password. During installation I didn't get asked for a password, but typing in the one I use as a generic computer password, it works! The only personal detail I entered was my email address. Windows seems to have shared the password from the other machine, and shared the desktop image I use on it? What is going on. What's the point of passwords being set up like this, and I find it a bit disturbing that Microsoft can access my computers remotely to retrieve images? I'm not paranoid about security, but this does seem a bit odd behaviour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImagineerTom Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Your microsoft log-in details is now a network service (like an apple ID) and somewhere deep down in the settings you can choose whether to share nothing, settings, files or absolutely everything; I'm guessing there's an account tied to your email address somewhere which you are now cloning across machines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handyandi Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 As Tom says its a windows password associated with your microsoft email, not the machine login like it used to be. I did not want a password on the machine as its used by many users for projection but apparently its not simple to stop it requiring a password, as is stopping it doing updates when it wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timsabre Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 I have a W10 machine with no password, it is possible but they don't make it easy (you have to unlink it from the microsoft online account thing).I'd like to give you a step-by-step of how I did it but I can't remember, I think it is on google if you have a look. Stopping updates, no chance, mine has somehow updated itself and changed all my appearance preferences back to the defaults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alistermorton Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 It could be a bit inconvenient if it decided to start applying an update during a show. One more reason to unplug from the intartubes while live, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelgrian Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 The only personal detail I entered was my email address. Windows seems to have shared the password from the other machine, and shared the desktop image I use on it? What is going on. What's the point of passwords being set up like this, and I find it a bit disturbing that Microsoft can access my computers remotely to retrieve images? I'm not paranoid about security, but this does seem a bit odd behaviour? As others have said unless you specifically tell it not to during the install (which is not obvious to do) Windows 10 creates a Microsoft account during the set up procedure and uses that to log in to the machine. Importantly this does not mean that MS have your password or indeed access to your machine. What they store is a non-reverseable cryptographic hash of your password. The comparison with the text your enter at the login prompt is always done locally. What happened is that when you set up the original machine you created an account, you then customized it and by default Microsoft backed up that customisation in to your MS account. When you logged in to the new machine with the same account the machine noticed that there was customisation associated with that login ID in your MS account and downloaded and applied it to the machine. Apple provides similar functionality however it's much clearer what it is doing and it asks you during set up if you want to enable iCloud or not. Due to the changes in Windows 10 around automatic updates and inability to prevent functionality updates being applied I'd have a hard time recommending Windows for anything where the configuration must be managed these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulears Posted February 9, 2016 Author Share Posted February 9, 2016 I guess it could be handy? Just surprised me. I also found that one drive is associated with it but that leave me two computers that have a different one drive account as I originally set those up with a different email address - not realising what it was used for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRW Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Due to the changes in Windows 10 around automatic updates and inability to prevent functionality updates being applied I'd have a hard time recommending Windows for anything where the configuration must be managed these days. +1 to this. Coupled with the fact they keep moving the settings around and making it take longer to do things, I'm actually considering downgrading my W7 laptop to Windows XP! I certainly don't plan to update any of the other Windows computers in the house to 10. It's a pity, as the technical preview (which I tried to embrace) seemed promising for a while, then they split up all the settings again and added in the flipping tiles onto the start menu. Now if it had a 'classic' option, that didn't involve third party software, stopped any unnecessary and invisible synchronization/reporting and put the settings back in the sensible places they've been since Windows 95, then I'd start listening again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Wiles Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 If you want to get rid of the log in screen.........Once logged in, right click the start button, hit run and type 'netplwiz' (without apostrophes) Click on the account and un-tick the check box at the top that that say something like always require a password at login (I don't have a PC with it on tho check actual wording.It'll ask for you current password to confirm and away you go.........hopefully! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulears Posted February 10, 2016 Author Share Posted February 10, 2016 It didn't like that John, when it rebooted, it reported the password was wrong, and only gave me access once I put in the old one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timsabre Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 It didn't like that John, when it rebooted, it reported the password was wrong, and only gave me access once I put in the old one? I think if you have signed in with an online Microsoft account you also have to unlink from that.Type "Accounts" into the search bar and click "Manage your account" then there is an option in there to unlink from the Microsoft account NB once you do this you can't use the Microsoft App Store, no great loss in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laseranger Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Due to the changes in Windows 10 around automatic updates and inability to prevent functionality updates being applied I'd have a hard time recommending Windows for anything where the configuration must be managed these days. You can stop automatic updates Just go into internet advanced settings and define your internet connection on that machine as a metered connection and windows 10 will not download updates automatically! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gyro_gearloose Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 You can stop automatic updates Just go into internet advanced settings and define your internet connection on that machine as a metered connection and windows 10 will not download updates automatically! Because having an easily accessible option to turn off automatic updates is just too hard to implement! This is why I now use OS X rather than any version of Windows :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shez Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 The great Windows vs Mac debate rumbles on... I've used Linux at home for years - better than either of the above options! :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alistermorton Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 If there was a version of SCS for Linux (I'm guessing the requisite audio drivers for the audio interface already do exist but I'm prepared to be disappointed) I'd be seriously recommending we moved our sound machine to Linux. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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