Ben Lawrance Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 Hi guys, I have the chance of buying a second hand PA, but wanted to run it past you guys. Consists of: 4x Martin Audio W8Cs4x Turbosound Mids (2x 12" jobbies)8x Kustom Audio 18" Scoop subsCrown audio Amps (2x 5000vz - 2x 3000vz - 1x 1000vz I think)BSS Drive rack ProLoads of BSS outboardAll Signal cablesLoads of power distro and cables Everything (bar the cabs) is flight cased in pro 5star cases, and is I good nick. Dude said that it runs at 20Kw. He wants £16K for it. Sound like a good deal??? CheersBen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Hinds Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 4x Martin Audio W8Cs4x Turbosound Mids (2x 12" jobbies)8x Kustom Audio 18" Scoop subsNot at all sure why the Turbosound speakers are needed, the W8C goes down to 120Hz and would normally be coupled direct to W8S/WSX subs. So they seem a bit redundant as you'd either use the Turbsound mids or the Wavefront mid not both. The 'Kustom Audio' scoops aren't a product I've come across but a quick google shows they aren't really up to the W8C level of equipment. The 4 W8C are worth about £1000-1300 each depending on condition I would think, assuming all drivers are working and they don't need major work. IIRC new they are about £2400 or so new. Crown audio Amps (2x 5000vz - 2x 3000vz - 1x 1000vz I think)There is no 3000vz... you mean 3600vz? same there is no 1000vz but there is a 1202 (non vz)? Estimate £3500 for the amps I guess. BSS Drive rack ProA what?! Is that the DBX/Behringer combo model??? Can only assume it's an omnidrive unit... if so is it a 355, a 388 or a 366T? Value varies widely between the now ancient 355/388 and the current 366. Loads of BSS outboardWorking or broken? Are we talking Opal or DPR, current or previous series, age, transformer balanced EQs? All Signal cablesLoads of power distro and cablesPAT tested and all cables working? Dude said that it runs at 20Kw. He wants £16K for it.20 Pars also run at 20kW. What you need to consider is if the system can produce the correct output (clear and consistent from say 50Hz-18kHz) and if that is enough for you. I reckon there's scope to hit the max ouput of the W8C using a 3600 and a 1202 to drive them with two subs per channel on the 5000vzs. Even with the most creative maths I use though I make that 12000w maximum of power and you've still got the redundant Turbosound speakers to dispose of, and a 3600 because one is enough to power 4 W8C low sections ok. He may well want £16k for it. It's not where I'd be spending £16k though... just my opinion though Regards Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Beech Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 I agree with Chris that the turbo mid boxes would not be necessary here. leaving you a redundant amp (not a bad thing). I'd also like to add that dragging around 8 of these subs that many people haven't heard of might cause you more problems. if you need 4 a side they might not be up to much, also if they are a cheaper box they might not be designed to work together all that well. And you have to wonder whether they'll be usefull up to where the W8C takes over.... there is a place somewhere down south (can't remember the name) selling W8C's new at about £7k a pair still.. I know they've coem down in most places but they are not a cheap cab (I'd say they're worth every penny though...although I would say that) Personally I'd look into getting WSX's on the bottom, these aqre desisnged to compliment the W8 and W8C cabs and will most likely compete with 2 of those subs you mention. If you were to get 4 WSX you would haveanother redundant amp (unles you ran them in bridged mode which would give them maybe a little too much power per box). or 8ohm stereo mode but this would be silly IMO. As for value I'd be very careful where you throw that sort of money. We'll wait and see if anyone on here has heard of and used the subs you mention before. Plus the guy told you it was a 20k system. With all amps running you'd be pushed to find 20k. remember that using the turbo mid boxes would probably make your sound worse (not that they are not a good cab just the way they would work withthe other gear). I'd hang around a while and see what other people have to say but I'd go with Chris on this one. I also think you may need to look at splitting the package if possible (probably isn't). The W8C's are a great cab, good amps, and well as for the rest of the gear its hard to tell unless we had a list. The old omnidrive is getting on a bit and its value is getting close to 0 now. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter F Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 The old omnidrive is getting on a bit and its value is getting close to 0 now. Rob The earlier omnis (388) might have been around for a while now but they are still a well featured and very decent quality processor. I think you'll struggle to find anyone giving them away for nothing. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Beech Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Yes, clearly they dont give them away, it was a bit OTT, although I did get given one once. Was handy having 4 way stereo. I do always carry a spare with me wherever I go be it 2 way 3 way 4 way or how I run my wavefront rig..5 way. Using 3 units in the rack, one for L one for R and one as a spare. (maybe its overkill as I could just run the signal mono but its easier to switch prcessors). I certainly wouldn't class the old omnidrives as a bad unit at all. Far from it.. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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