Bryson Posted July 1, 2005 Posted July 1, 2005 Anyone know the List or real-world price of Source 4 Revolutions? I can extrapolate from the hire cost, but that's not an exact science... Also, any opinions on them? Anyone used them in anger?
PDD Posted July 1, 2005 Posted July 1, 2005 Anyone know the List or real-world price of Source 4 Revolutions? I can extrapolate from the hire cost, but that's not an exact science... You may want to take a walk over the river to The Sage... I believe they have a rig full of Revolutions in hall 1. (Or I suppose they may actually be VL1000's or some such; can't remember). Stage Electrics price seems to be £2,306 for the basic black unit, with the accessory modules coming in between £300 and £550.
Simon Lewis Posted July 1, 2005 Posted July 1, 2005 Bryson, AC lighting list price ex VAT: Source Four Revolution £2,306.00Iris module £304.00Static wheel module, 3 position + open £304.00Indexing rotating wheel module, 3 position + open £456.004 blade shutter module £547.00QXL 77V, 300 hour lamp £POAExtra quick change scroller cartridge (without colour) £124.00Blank module with integral gobo holder £49.00Single unit flight case £POAFlight case add on module for another unit £POA I'm not a lampy, but I went to one of the Source Four Revolution demos, and I thought the light was bright, pure, and the fixture was extremely quiet (which made me very happy!).I can't say how it compares to others in its class, or give details of any actual hands on use... Simon
Bryson Posted July 1, 2005 Author Posted July 1, 2005 Thanks! Bit worried by that POA for the lamp, mind... Quite reasonable then, really. £3k a unit for something usable. The Sage is VL1000Ts.
ChrisD Posted July 1, 2005 Posted July 1, 2005 ETC Revolutions. I've heard a LOT of bad stuff about them. Tensioning the scrollers is a fine art. They weigh a ton. They're inaccurate. Fine if you want a bar of profiles which you can't get to easily because you can install them and forget them until you need to change a bulb
Stu Posted July 1, 2005 Posted July 1, 2005 Re: ChrisD's post. From my experience the ETC S4 Revs are anything but inaccurate - a show we had in a while back had some and they hit their marks time and time again with no problems with them at all during the run. Very unlike the Pirouettes which I had to sit and replot during the show as they weren't hitting marks. So far I've not seen them being used in unaccessible situations, alot of the tours are using them for refocussable specials or stuff where the halogen lamp works wonders within the rig. As many will have heard, I'm sure, there did seem to be issues with them on Poppins but it seems ETC have been provided stellar support for them which helps. Don't remember them being heavy - bulky yes, but not as bad as a Mac 2k. I did love the optics mind, I really really loved that bit. It went beautifully sharp and the iris goes incredibly small. Stu
sam.henderson Posted July 1, 2005 Posted July 1, 2005 there did seem to be issues with them on Poppins but it seems ETC have been provided stellar support for them which helps.Speaking to the production LX and Chief LX there (both great blokes!) and being able to have good look around when poopins was on in the bristol hippodrome, yes there were a few problems at first however they were still quite new back then and ETC did provide fantastic support! Because all of the Poppins dimming (almost brand new) was also ETC there seemed to be ETC support technicians there a lot of the time sorting any problems etc.!! For the show they worked really well and I was dead impressed. Most of the crew on Poppins really liked them as well! For what they are I think they are priced reasonably and you can hire them relatively cheaply. I did have a bad experiance with some pirrouettes once however the revolutions are very different. All in all, I like them a lot! Sam
la grande homme Posted July 1, 2005 Posted July 1, 2005 like anything new, initial releases are gonna be buggy, and a bit ####. ETC have really worked on the Revs over the last year - I looked at them 2 plasas back and they were bad, even with Mark White extolling their virtues to me! Looked at them atr ABTT a couple of weeks ago and they were much MUCH better - the fans are now magnetic making them much quieter and other such groovy streamlining enhancements. Still don't colour mix tho' (and ETC have gone from saying "its a scroller for now until we sort out a colour mixing module" to "its a scroller because its a theatrical lantern" ...Hmmm). We had them (and some of the competition) in last week at the Linbury for a moving light 'shoot out' organised by White Light and I'm told the Rev held its own very well...
david.elsbury Posted July 2, 2005 Posted July 2, 2005 I think that is is perfectly fine to have a scroller, rather than a colour mixing module, for the reasons that ETC state- matching dichroics to gels accurately is hard! And as it is a theatrical lantern... well, let's face it, you wouldn't spec this if you wanted it for a concert, you'd spec something more usual like a MAC250 or Robe something.
gareth Posted July 4, 2005 Posted July 4, 2005 I think that is is perfectly fine to have a scroller, rather than a colour mixing module, for the reasons that ETC state- matching dichroics to gels accurately is hard!I'm inclined to agree on this point. Having just spent some time trying to get a bunch of VL1000s to match a selection of Lee and Supergel colours, and ended up getting rather annoyed at the patchiness of the mixing and almost-but-not-quite nature of quite a few of the colours, I'd far rather have had Revolutions with scrolls containing exactly the right colours. (Still not as much of a pain in the a*se as trying to get a decent CTO out of a StudioColor, though! :unsure:)
andy_s Posted July 5, 2005 Posted July 5, 2005 ETC Revolutions. I've heard a LOT of bad stuff about them. Tensioning the scrollers is a fine art. They weigh a ton. They're inaccurate. Fine if you want a bar of profiles which you can't get to easily because you can install them and forget them until you need to change a bulb<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hearsay - inadmissable as evidence.
Gazwoz Posted July 6, 2005 Posted July 6, 2005 Had a show in a couple of months back that had S4 Rev's, didn't think to much of them, end up swapping them out for standard S4 zooms for a variety of reasons, not a problem with the scroller as many people have already mentioned, problem was with the movement and final positioning, that wasn't just my programming either :P, well thats what I was told anyway. The helpful (cough) LX tech from Stage LX, spent the entire week with their phone off! Think I prefer the VL1000, although not actually used one in anger yet.
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