please elp me wiv my coursework!!!

[Just Some Bloke]

Personally for me it's all lanterns on the bar, make sure we're happy with positions etc then hookclamp tighten up, then the safety and then last but not least the 15A plug (or whatever).

 

I think alot of it comes down to personal preference mind...

 

Stu

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I'm with Stu and the others on this; and also with Paul on the fact that if you can't think straight at 1.30 a.m. then maybe this is not the career for you! There is a reason for spelling and grammar - they make things easier to understand. Sorry, I'm sounding like Mr. Meldrew myself now!

[david.elsbury]

My answers are based on rigging in the air. However, I'd suspect Stu is referring to a flybar floating a few feet off the floor.

[Stu]

Personally for me it's all lanterns on the bar, make sure we're happy with positions etc

all the lanterns on the bar? so you're talking about loading up 20 or 30 fixtures on a bar... of course if you're talking about doing this 2 foot off the ground on a fly bar then feel free to shoot me down in flames!

Hi Knotted.

 

I am of course talking about when rigging a fly bar 2ft off the ground :) When rigging a static bar, say FOH or our Studio space it is straight on the bar, tighten up with the hookclamp and safety straight away - as you'd expect...

 

The whole lanterns on, make sure you happy with positions etc was what was shown to me when I first started years ago but I'm always happy to shown otherwise, just I can't see a problem if an unloaded fly bar has 20 lanterns on it 2ft off the ground as it's not going anywhere. You'd hope!

 

Stu

[sam.henderson]

Yep, I agree with Stu, my original post was based on rigging on static bars off a tower or tallie but if I'm in a venue where the bars fly in I hook the lantern on, sort out the spacing and make sure I'm happy with it then tighten and safety all of them. Obviously when the bar is a few foot off the ground it doesn't matter if you safety or tighten first!

 

Sam

[Ken Coker]

ahh thanks u guys, and hey, about the language, its waaaaaay to late to be thinking about that! I'm 18 and I am up at 1.33 doing coursework....really, the last thing on my mind!!!

 

Thank you so much you guys!!

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Perhaps you might want to consider whether any future tutors of yours have a similar attitude to grammar and punctuation, given that most of us have been up until 0130 marking for the last week.

 

(WARNING: Spelling, grammar, punctuation an proper referencing are going to be keystones of any assignments I set next year. So, any prospective SLLET students might want to spend the summer brushing up on these topics.!!)

 

Cheers

 

Ken

 

PS

Tighten hook clamp

Safety bond

Plug in

(Not forgetting user visual inspection)

On a second pass:

Put in colour/gobos/

Open shutters/doors

Rough focus/ Tweak ceramic/ set to smallest & hardest zoom

[TomLyall]

I would deffinately have to say that tightening the hookclamp first is safer. Consider the way which you do this, generally tightening the clamp will need one hand, leaving the other free to hold the unsecured lantern still. If you are to put the safety on, you'll more often than not need to let go of the lantern to attach the safety.

 

Tom

[J Pearce]

I always tighten bolt then safety, I just find it easier to tighten the bolt as soon as I have hung the lantern. Plus I would worry about knocking the lantern off the bar trying to do up the safety if the lantern was loose.

 

Another point to remember is that there should be no-one under the bar when the rigging is in process, so the whole point of which first for safety purposes is a bit pointless.

[Andrew C]

Another point to remember is that there should be no-one under the bar when the rigging is in process, so the whole point of which first for safety purposes is a bit pointless.

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...unless you value your lantern.

 

Another vote for bolt first on a hook-clamp. If a half-coupler, I'm not so sure; I might do up the bond before even trying to get the clamp on the bar...

[J Pearce]

I appreciate the point about preserving lanterns, but I did say from a safety point of view.

 

Half couplers annoy me, a local hire company just fitted all their lanterns with them and they take a lot more time to rig. It can be very awkward to support the weight of a profile and hold the half coupler closed and do up the wing nut.

[PoppaDom]

Another vote here for the hook clamp first, being that the safety is the secondary suspension method. When rigging you should be rigging in a controlled environment so therefore surely tightening the primary suspension method first makes sense!?! As the secondary is a safety precaution for the public, crew and cast once the rigging risk has been minimalised. (ie: rigged with safety in place)

 

Just my 2p

 

Poppadom

[Jamtastic3]

Carrying on about rigging a lamp, what about if you are rigging to a boom but say you don't have a boom arm to clamp your lamp to and so have to clamp your lamp (eg a Par) to the bar so that the yoke is parrallel to the boom. How can you make it safer because obviously the saftey chain loses its purpose?

[andy_s]

if loading a counterweight bar at stage level, get all the weight on the bar in roughly the right place, then the person in the loading gallery can be weighting-up the CW set while the people on stage are fine-tuning the position, tightening hook clamps, fitting safeties, opening shutters and barndoors, fitting colour, flashing out and marking up the tails for plugging up, thus saving a bit of hanging around waiting for each other. Multi-task dove-tailing.

 

if rigging overhead off a ladder or platform, I'd tend to get hookclamp over the bar, fix safetybond, then remove hauling line before final tightening of clamps.

 

the essential thing that has to happen is the check to make sure the rigging procedure has been completed correctly before (1) flying the CW bar or (2) moving the ladder or platform on to the next position. Providing this shows that all bolts are tight, all bonds in place etc, it doesn't really matter which order you've done it in - this could vary according to circumstances. It's more important not to leave the job half-finished.

 

regarding jamtastic's point, generally lanterns rigged on booms represent less of a "falling on people's heads" hazard and more of an "I'm making a quick exit and haven't noticed that big light in the wing that I'm about to walk into" hazard, so in many circumstances the safety bond has less of a role to play. The answer is probably to always use boom arms and perhaps use a cable tie to ensure the safety bond doesn't slip off the boom arm...

[la grande homme]

It's 'CABLE TIE SUSPENSION THREAD II - THE REVENGE!' :)

[Darkfold]

I tend to hook, tighten, then safety. Means I don't have to support the whole lamp weight while pissing about with fiddly little clips etc.

 

 

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[PoppaDom]

It's 'CABLE TIE SUSPENSION THREAD II - THE REVENGE!'  ;)

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And what's wrong with using cable ties for suspending lanterns?? :)