Reflector for a Strand type 123 wanted

[GruntPuppy]

I've got the chance of a patt 123 lamp - which will complete the planned (and unplanned collection) - but it has no lamp holder or reflector. Does anyone have one they can sell me, or perhaps point me in the right direction to buy one please?

 

So far I'm up to a Patt 23, a Patt 23n (which I couldn't resist as it's got an inspection tag on it from my date of birth), a pair of patt 43 or 44's - I really need to do more research on these - and the 123 will be it from the Strand family for the lamps for a while - I fancy doing one or two Furse lights after these...

[sandall]

I've got a P28 base, but probably not the base plate or reflector. Are you buying a shell that's been gutted for its useful bits?

 

When you get bored with Strand I've got a couple of Furze 1kW fresnels that may be looking for a home by then.

[GruntPuppy]

I've got a P28 base, but probably not the base plate or reflector. Are you buying a shell that's been gutted for its useful bits?

 

When you get bored with Strand I've got a couple of Furze 1kW fresnels that may be looking for a home by then.

 

Gutted? Yep, it would appear so - all I really need is the reflector and something to bracket it with, as I'm going to fit a more modern bulb. I have an old 1950's saucepan that is going to supply a nice thick piece of aluminium to act as a mounting plate. Who knows, with a bit of careful design and cutting it may well be bracket and base plate all in one :)

 

I may be in touch at some point about the Furzes, but it will be awhile, as I want to get the Strands done before I do anything else lampy.

Edited November 17, 2020 by GruntPuppy

[Junior8]

The reflector was fitted to the lamp tray which was fixed to the base plate through a slot by means of a bolt. Focus was adjusted by sliding the lamp tray backward and forwards on the base plate. I seem to recall but this is a long time ago that the early ones had the reflector bolted at the base and later ones to a bar behind but I may be quite wrong. It is a great pity that they have become a style icon as they could still be doing very useful work in many a space.

[GruntPuppy]

The reflector was fitted to the lamp tray which was fixed to the base plate through a slot by means of a bolt. Focus was adjusted by sliding the lamp tray backward and forwards on the base plate. I seem to recall but this is a long time ago that the early ones had the reflector bolted at the base and later ones to a bar behind but I may be quite wrong. It is a great pity that they have become a style icon as they could still be doing very useful work in many a space.

 

Let me rephrase then - a large aluminium pan will be providing the raw material for the lamp tray ;)

 

I agree that it's sad they have become a style icon, but at least many of them are being preserved in some shape or form. It seems a shame that a lot of them have been discarded from theatrical work (I'm assuming) due to the work needed to bring them up to modern PAT standards and (again, assuming) the cost benefits in running more modern, more economical lights instead. I will be partially polishing mine to highlight the beautiful design, but also using a dark grey enamel gloss in places as well - I can't be doing with these fully polished examples I see everywhere. IMHO a fully polished lamp can become lost in a room as it reflects everything else around it; at least with partial painting that gorgeous shape is highlighted.

 

It's the same with the Patt 23 and 23n, they deserve more than just to be polished to a mirror. Someone on this forum has told me of having their lamps copper plated, which sounds absolutely glorious. I'll be going the paint AND polish route again, and the same with whatever stands they end up on. I've gotten hold of the original fixed iris plates that the 23s were supplied with from factory (in needs of a strip back and repaint), plus a few gobo holders (modern aluminium, so I'll repaint them to match the lamp), gel (cel?) holders (again in need of stripping and repainting), the gobos themselves I'll just clean up. The variable iris that I have will initially get an oily rag restoration, I do plan on disassembling, cleaning up, repainting and reassembling at some point. I have managed to get a desktop tripod stand in cast aluminium that has had nickel plating badly applied (it was sold to me as a "second"), so I'll be stripping that back, and selectively polishing/painting to match the 23, I'll do the same with the 23n stand when I find a suitable one, I want a floorstander for that unit.

 

My only departure from this will be with my Patt 44 baby spots. I finally found a picture in an archive that gives a positive ID match for these :) One will be getting a restoration back to original - I wish I knew what black crystalline enamel looked like, I suspect I'll be getting the casing stove enamelled if I can, and painting it with a high gloss "regular" enamel if I can't afford the stove enamelling route. I'm going to see if I can get the holes that were drilled to retro-fit a Klaxon(!) motor on the side welded to fill them.

 

The other type 44 lamp, I'm going to have some fun with. It's going a deep maroon colour, and I'm going to get it signwritten by a traditional showman's signwriter. The same will be done to a period tripod. I'll keep the motor unit on the side if I can get it working (I have 2 to play with at least, both my 44's had these on them), it will have to be boxed in somehow for safety compliance though, as there are loose wires and exposed transformer bits all over the place! Possibly a transformer cover from a valve amp will be modified to suit. I figure it's been Frankensteined enough that I can have a little fun with it, and do the work well enough that it will be in shape to at least perform a useful function for the next 80+ years.

[Don Allen]

If in doubt, go to the Strand Archive and then you can see cut away drawings showing the Strand Baby Spots Patt 23 and Patt 123.

[xllx]

I've got the chance of a patt 123 lamp - which will complete the planned (and unplanned collection) - but it has no lamp holder or reflector. Does anyone have one they can sell me, or perhaps point me in the right direction to buy one please?

 

 

I should have all these bits as I removed them from a batch of 123s I fitted LEDs into for an interior design project a few years ago. They will be in a "safe place" in one of three workshops so may take a while to find.

 

 

Here are some pictures of both the original reflector and the LED conversion which does away with it.

Edited November 17, 2020 by xllx

[GruntPuppy]

I've got the chance of a patt 123 lamp - which will complete the planned (and unplanned collection) - but it has no lamp holder or reflector. Does anyone have one they can sell me, or perhaps point me in the right direction to buy one please?

 

 

I should have all these bits as I removed them from a batch of 123s I fitted LEDs into for an interior design project a few years ago. They will be in a "safe place" in one of three workshops so may take a while to find.

 

Hi, that would be appreciated - any news on the Patt 23 / 23n bits at all? I still need a metal floor stand or 2, an additional 23 lens and retaining clip, oh and I'm also looking for tripods for my patt 44's :o

[sunray]

I've got the chance of a patt 123 lamp - which will complete the planned (and unplanned collection) - but it has no lamp holder or reflector. Does anyone have one they can sell me, or perhaps point me in the right direction to buy one please?

 

 

I should have all these bits as I removed them from a batch of 123s I fitted LEDs into for an interior design project a few years ago. They will be in a "safe place" in one of three workshops so may take a while to find.

 

Hi, that would be appreciated - any news on the Patt 23 / 23n bits at all? I still need a metal floor stand or 2, an additional 23 lens and retaining clip, oh and I'm also looking for tripods for my patt 44's :o

Whereabouts are you?

[GruntPuppy]

Whereabouts are you?

 

I am, for my sins, living in Cardiff.

 

I have at least located a stand for one of the type 44's in the last 10 minutes - an ex fire brigade metal tripod that I'll refinish in the same paint as the lamp. It's a little low at about a metre, but for £35 (Have you SEEN the prices people are slapping on anything vintage? Barstewards!) + £9 shipping, it'll do. By the time I finish with it, it'll have gloss black paintwork, possibly I'll replace the boltwork with brass hardware, although I'm more likely to go with stainless steel. Either way, it'll look a darn sight better than it currently does, and if I don't like it I'll be able to at least sell it on. I now need to find a wooden tripod for the other lamp. I'm planning on using a wooden tripod, so I can strip back, stain and varnish the wood ready for the signwriter's touch on top.

 

Here are some pictures of both the original reflector and the LED conversion which does away with it.

 

That looks like a rather nice conversion. I know from my own experiences that the simpler a conversion looks, the more work has gone into it - and your conversions look "factory" - that, and the contrast between furry aluminium and the refinished cases is night and day. I'm looking at a similar colour (Scania Chassis Grey) but in a gloss "heavy duty" enamel for parts of my 23/23N/123 lamps.

Edited November 17, 2020 by GruntPuppy

[alistermorton]

It is a great pity that they have become a style icon as they could still be doing very useful work in many a space.

 

We still have about a dozen or so doing duty. I like them, nice quality of beam.

 

 

 

 

I wish I knew what black crystalline enamel looked like,

 

Similar, I think, to "crackle" finish paint. We have some old Strand lanterns lanterns with a finish that is simliar, but not identical, to crackle paint. I'm pretty sure the Pageants are in that finish, and the Patt 252 as well.

 

 

 

[J Pearce]

We have a small batch of Patt123s that until recently were still in our studio rig, and still see use as practicals and get-out-of-jail-cards. I'm moving towards retiring them as they don't have the same zoom range as our other stock (our studio has an annoyingly low rig) and are becoming a maintenance pain.

[sunray]

 

 

Here are some pictures of both the original reflector and the LED conversion which does away with it.

They look nice!

What power are they and how do they compare with original lamp?

And I may be looking for some original holders

 

[xllx]

 

 

Here are some pictures of both the original reflector and the LED conversion which does away with it.

They look nice!

What power are they and how do they compare with original lamp?

And I may be looking for some original holders

 

The LED fittings are from the BLOB range by Mr Resistor. Frankly I can't remember exactly which variant I used as it was supplied by the customer.

 

They were fitted tight to the back of the lens, using the original 3 fixing points with larger washers. The L shaped bit of aluminium was to support the transformer.

 

You couldn't really use them as a stage light. They were purely decorative, and gave usable light in an office environment, but certainly not up to stage use.

[GruntPuppy]

We have a small batch of Patt123s that until recently were still in our studio rig, and still see use as practicals and get-out-of-jail-cards. I'm moving towards retiring them as they don't have the same zoom range as our other stock (our studio has an annoyingly low rig) and are becoming a maintenance pain.

 

How small is small? My parents have decided they quite like the look of them... and I can't resist my monther's (spelling deliberate - monster+mother) hopeful looks...

Edited November 18, 2020 by GruntPuppy