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hi, further to what someone else put on the board, I think they were referring to an electrician course that I have seen.

it is run by technique training and I wondered if anyone could give me advice about it. it is a 6 week full time course and apparently 'passes you out' as a qualified electrician, able to complete domestic installations and actually rewire a house at the end.

the course layout is as follows- basic electrical generic module (5 days), domestic electrical part 1:domestic wiring circuits (5 days), C&G 2381 16th edition wiring regs (3 days), C&G 2377 002-portable appliance testing (1 day), C&G 2391-inspection and testing (4 days), EAL domestic electrical installer qualification (2 days), domestic telephone and data cabling systems (2 days), domestic burglar alarm systems (2 days), gas boiler electrical control systems (3 days), fire alarm systems (2 days), emergency lighting (1 day). total 30 days. with the imminent arrival of part P of the building regulations in jan 2005, Technique Training Ltd will be able to award Electrotechnical Assessment through EMTA awards Ltd to meet the proposed requirements of building control.

if anyone could advise me whether its worth taking this course then I would appreciate any advice. thanks

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OK, two points here I think.

 

Part P already applies. On top of any qualification you may have, you need to be a member of a recognized body to do the Part P certification. This is to ensure compliance (or to put a stop to people working on the 'black', depending on your cynicism levels) The registered company pays something like £1000/ year for the privilege.

 

I suspect this course is designed to "up-grade" an already experienced person as I can't see how you could compress the whole of that syllabus into 6 weeks for a novice. I may be wrong...

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OK, two points here I think.

 

Part P already applies.  On top of any qualification you may have, you need to be a member of a recognized body to do the Part P certification.  This is to ensure compliance (or to put  a stop to people working on the 'black', depending on your cynicism levels)  The registered company pays something like £1000/ year for the privilege.

 

I suspect this course is designed to "up-grade" an already experienced person as I can't see how you could compress the whole of that syllabus into 6 weeks for a  novice.  I may be wrong...

many thanks for your reply andrew. I understand that the course is indeed for complete novices although I am double checking that now. apparently if you have C&G 2381, 16th edition you can register with NICEIC at an annual cost of about £325-375 and then you can sign your own and others work off.-jack

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apparently if you have C&G 2381, 16th edition you can register with NICEIC at an annual cost of about £325-375 and then you can sign your own and others work off.

Is that really all it takes to become Part P compliant?! Not that I don't believe you, but what's the source of that information?

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apparently if you have C&G 2381, 16th edition you can register with NICEIC at an annual cost of about £325-375 and then you can sign your own and others work off.

Is that really all it takes to become Part P compliant?! Not that I don't believe you, but what's the source of that information?

hi, I got that from NICEIC. obviously youve gotta be a qualified sparky AND have C&G 2381, 16th edition etc...

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was handed a copy of the regs today saying "temporary installations are NOT exempt from a the electrical checks etc and must be done by a qualified electrician"

 

as we're a student company, we dont have any :S

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I think to enrol with NICEIC you will find that at least one person in your organization needs to have C&G 2391 or at least be able to prove competence. You must have £2M public liability insurance, up to date regs books, electricity at work regs, guidance notes, calibrated test gear etc. This will set you back around £1K for the annual registration fee, insurance, calibration, up to date books etc. If you are interested in joining one of these organizations it is also worth looking at NAPIT, which seems to me to be more setup for the one man outfit.
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I think to enrol with NICEIC you will find that at least one person in your organization needs to have C&G 2391 or at least be able to prove competence.  You must have £2M public liability insurance, up to date regs books, electricity at work regs, guidance notes, calibrated test gear etc.  This will set you back around £1K for the annual registration fee, insurance, calibration, up to date books etc.  If you are interested in joining one of these organizations it is also worth looking at NAPIT, which seems to me to be more setup for the one man outfit.

 

And, you've got to get them to come and inspect 2 installations you've carried out for compliance, plus yearly checks, at your expense. I don't think NAPIT requires this but they do require two references.

 

Anyhow, this is all only required for consumer installations, with the practical upshot being that it's going to end up cheaper to get a sparky in to do the work than to do it yourself, hence perpetuating the sinister agenda of the professional bodies (or something like that). That or claim that it was actually installed in 2004, honest (not that I'd even think of condoning such a thing :)).

 

I don't think you need any specific membership for commercial installations (correct me if I'm wrong), you just have the infamous "competent person" requirement. Obviously a lot of primary contractors/architects will require professional body membership to ensure this, so if you're a commercial electrician you're not going to get terribly far without being a member.

 

Having said that, if you're just looking to be qualified enough to do temporary commercial installations, you may be fine with just 2381/2391/16th edition (delete as applicable) - it depends on where you're installing, and whether the person in charge deems you "competent". Additionally you'll probably need the PL insurance too...

 

As I said, that's my view on it, correct me if I'm wrong. I am not a professional electrician, although I'm tempted to at least take the qualifications in anticipation of the time when you won't be able to plug something in without being certified... Who knows, they'll probably come in useful some day.

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I am currently 1/3 of the way throught the city and guilds 2330 (old 2360) electrical installation course. This covers all areas of installation from domestic through to industrial. This will along with the NVQ 3 will entitle me to become registered with the JIB (an industry body for electricians). However as a previous poster said to become a member of a body such as the NICEIC one would also require the 2391 inspect and test. the 2381 16th edition is cobvered by the 2330. This course is 3 years long on a day release basis and reading previous posts I am thinking am I wasting my time could I have done the 6 week course as initially mentioned !! The only other criteria to becoming NICEIC registered is you must be inspected no a job to prove your craftsmanship. Part P only applies to domestic installations only tho my lecturers have said that they expect it to come into force in all other settings within the next 10 years. I am enjoying the course and having a longer period to digest the info is I think important as there is an enormous amount to take in, and some concepts are pretty tricky.
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hi, further to what someone else put on the board, I think they were referring to an electrician course that I have seen.

it is run by technique training and I wondered if anyone could give me advice about it. it is a 6 week full time course and apparently 'passes you out' as a qualified electrician, able to complete domestic installations and actually rewire a house at the end.

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if anyone could advise me whether its worth taking this course then I would appreciate any advice. thanks

 

Hi jack69_1,

 

Both my friend and I, after being made redundant from the hosiery trade after 25 and 22 years respectivley, and with no electrical experience between us whatsoever, decided to try the Technique Training 4 week intensive electrical course held at Technique Training, Coney Green, Clay Cross, Derbys.

 

We are now into our third week only, and have already passed, Module 1 and 2, City and Guilds 2381 and are now working towards 2391. The EAL, 2377 and Part P will be covered next week.

Of course it's not easy, careful listening, practical help from the tutor and loads of revision at nights are needed but as with everything else, if you want something, work for it.

Our tutor, Chris Harrison, can virtually recite all the relevant regs and most of the text from the books from MEMORY!!!!.

 

All the tutors, without exception, know their trade inside out, they have done the work read the books and seen the video!!

Everyone, from the moment you book in at reception is friendly cheeerful and helpful.

 

As an added bonus, if you pass the exams, you can sign up to have practical 'hands on' experience and go with their own installation team, Technique Trades. So its not a case of, well I've got the papers, now what do I do.

 

I know it sounds as though I'm advertising the place too much, but going from no formal experience whatsoever to be able to pass the 2381 and possibly the 2391 in 3 weeks for me is amazing.

Dont forget also, there are guys there who just want to brush up their skills and talking to them at break times is an experience in its self

 

So in answer to the question, is is worth it?, from our experience of this course,yes definitley , I would say it is

 

Hope this helps,

 

regards

trevorj

 

:mod: Quote fixed etc.

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Trevorj,

 

Welcome to the Blue-Room!

 

Just as a matter of intrest, how much does that course cost?

I have been looking for a similar course from 8weeks to 1year (part time) but have been quoted as much a £5k!

 

PM me if you would prefer.

 

Thanks

 

Tom

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