faders snapping not fading

[joehall]

Hi

I am using a Jands Stage CL and LED fixtures. I can get the console working ok, setting scenes and chases, but just cant get the fading to work on the channels. They snap from 0% to 100% intensity, the same for the master.

Any advice as to what to look at?

Thanks

 

Joe

[Don Allen]

Sounds like a chase running in the background. Have you used a library fixture for your patching ?

[joehall]

Sounds like a chase running in the background. Have you used a library fixture for your patching ?

Hi

I'm pretty sure there were no chases or scenes or cues runnning, but will check again on the monitor. Yes, it's patched using the library setting. I'll double check the settings though to make sure. Thanks for the feedback. Joe

 

 

 

[Pattern123]

Dimmers set to non-dim?

[alistermorton]

Stage CL plus LEDs implies no dimmers.

 

Edit: However, it's made me wonder whether there's a non dim curve applied to the channels (not sure if that's possible). There's mention in the manual about applying an intensity fade curve but I can't see how it is altered.

 

Do the fixtures dim smoothly on the faders, but only snap on cue playback? Could it be something like cue time set to zero - try double tapping the fade time dial to reset it to the default 2 seconds?

[joehall]

Stage CL plus LEDs implies no dimmers.

 

Edit: However, it's made me wonder whether there's a non dim curve applied to the channels (not sure if that's possible). There's mention in the manual about applying an intensity fade curve but I can't see how it is altered.

 

Do the fixtures dim smoothly on the faders, but only snap on cue playback? Could it be something like cue time set to zero - try double tapping the fade time dial to reset it to the default 2 seconds?

 

Hi, the fade works fine when moving between scenes, for example, or even on a chase, and I can adjust the fade time no problem. It's just sliding the channel faders up, there is only off or full 100%.

 

Thanks

 

Joe

 

 

[alistermorton]

OOI what fixtures are you controlling?

[joehall]

OOI what fixtures are you controlling?

 

Hi

I have 6 showtec led 64 pars. I tried last night to find a setting that controlled dimming, but couldn't. Have read the manual twice ...there must be something simple I am overlooking....

Thanks

Joe

 

 

 

[timsabre]

Have you contacted Jands for help? It sounds like some sort of personality problem where the desk is not set up properly to control the fixtures. But I have never used one so I am not sure.

[MarkPAman]

If I'm looking at the correct fixtures, you need them running in 5 channel mode, which gives you RGB, intensity & strobe. 3 channel mode is lots of preset stuff which is no use here.

 

I'm not with my Stage CL right now, so I can't look up if this is in the library, and if there's a problem with it.

 

 

But, I think you'll find RGBI in the generic fixtures library. If you use that and make sure that nothing is patched to the next address to make it strobe you can test again.

 

 

If that works, then I'd probably edit this fixture to include the strobe (giving it the usual shift-control option if you want to use it, or just making sure it remains on zero if you don't) and save this as a custom fixture.

[joehall]

hi, the advice I got is a DMX offset of 3. is that what you mean by 3 channel mode? I'll try and set to 5. thanks

 

Have you contacted Jands for help? It sounds like some sort of personality problem where the desk is not set up properly to control the fixtures. But I have never used one so I am not sure.

I have emailed their various depts in Australia, nothing back yet. also called our original supplier, but no help. Panto minus 2 weeks ....

 

 

 

[indyld]

The Showtec PAR 64s in 5 channel mode give you Red, Green, Blue, Dimmer, Strobe and is the one you should use. It's labelled d-P1 when you hit Setup. You'll also need to patch the Jands to the same mode to control them.

[joehall]

thank I'll try that tonight

[jack2609]

Stage CL plus LEDs implies no dimmers.

 

Edit: However, it's made me wonder whether there's a non dim curve applied to the channels (not sure if that's possible). There's mention in the manual about applying an intensity fade curve but I can't see how it is altered.

 

Do the fixtures dim smoothly on the faders, but only snap on cue playback? Could it be something like cue time set to zero - try double tapping the fade time dial to reset it to the default 2 seconds?

 

The Stage CL is capable of controlling dimmers.

 

The LED intensity curve alters the fade curve. It basically dampens the bottom end so that cheaper LEDs fade out more smoothly. This isn't the cause of Joe's issue though.

 

The Stage CL is actually doing what it is designed to do. If a fixture has a separate intensity channel (in addition to the RGB A/W channels) it will snap the RGB values to their programmed values on (intensity) fader up. The Stage CL is designed for users with limited lighting experience, with the console behaving in this way it means that the user always get what they expect -for example, red fading up . If the CL didn't snap the RGB values the user would see the fixture fading from its default state (white), which can often be undesirable or confusing for the user.

I would suggest that the Stage CL is patched as 7 channels but the fixtures are in 3 channel mode. Either mode is fine, they just need to match each other.

 

thank I'll try that tonight

 

Joe - are you sure ?

 

The user manual for your fixtures that you emailed me doesn't even have a 5 channel mode.

As discussed on the phone on Thursday, the 7 channel mode on the CL is called "LED par 64 Short 21X RGB 3-in1 MODE 4 (which matches the above manual you sent )

MODE 3 is just RGB.

Alternatively (if using 3 channels) you can patch "generic RGB LED".

Feel free to give me call as you did last week if you would like to discuss this further.

Hope this helps

Jack

[joehall]

Stage CL plus LEDs implies no dimmers.

 

Edit: However, it's made me wonder whether there's a non dim curve applied to the channels (not sure if that's possible). There's mention in the manual about applying an intensity fade curve but I can't see how it is altered.

 

Do the fixtures dim smoothly on the faders, but only snap on cue playback? Could it be something like cue time set to zero - try double tapping the fade time dial to reset it to the default 2 seconds?

 

The Stage CL is capable of controlling dimmers.

 

The LED intensity curve alters the fade curve. It basically dampens the bottom end so that cheaper LEDs fade out more smoothly. This isn't the cause of Joe's issue though.

 

The Stage CL is actually doing what it is designed to do. If a fixture has a separate intensity channel (in addition to the RGB A/W channels) it will snap the RGB values to their programmed values on (intensity) fader up. The Stage CL is designed for users with limited lighting experience, with the console behaving in this way it means that the user always get what they expect -for example, red fading up . If the CL didn't snap the RGB values the user would see the fixture fading from its default state (white), which can often be undesirable or confusing for the user.

 

I would suggest that the Stage CL is patched as 7 channels but the fixtures are in 3 channel mode. Either mode is fine, they just need to match each other.

 

thank I'll try that tonight

 

Joe - are you sure ?

 

The user manual for your fixtures that you emailed me doesn't even have a 5 channel mode.

 

As discussed on the phone on Thursday, the 7 channel mode on the CL is called "LED par 64 Short 21X RGB 3-in1 MODE 4 (which matches the above manual you sent )

 

MODE 3 is just RGB.

 

Alternatively (if using 3 channels) you can patch "generic RGB LED".

 

Feel free to give me call as you did last week if you would like to discuss this further.

 

Hope this helps

Jack

 

Hi Jack

Thanks for the post, I called, but you're on annual leave. I didnt manage to try last week, so will do it tonight.

The CL is set to mode 3, so I'll try changing it to mode 4 this evening and see how I get on.