AVwise Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Hello Good people, Im currently researching on the best wireless handheld shure or senheisser microphone for my local church. Im looking for a very good wireless shure/senheisser mic with low signal to noise ratio since the pastor likes to hold it very far away from his mouth during the sermons while moving across the church and tht has always brought about feedback, picking up lots of ambience noise (fans & background noise) hence affecting the quality of sound. We do live broadcast and on tv is quite noisy. What would be your recommendation? Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackerr Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 What would be your recommendation? Thank you That he hold the mic closer to his mouth. Mac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S&L Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 What would be your recommendation? Thank you That he hold the mic closer to his mouth. Mac the only cure for bad mic technique is education. omni directionals help with poor mic technique and tend to produce feedback, hypercardioid mics tend to have a closer pattern and are more resistive - I have started telling people recently 'if you can't lick it, you are too far away - education is the only answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GR1 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Either do the above or give the Pasta a head mic where the mic capsule will always be close to his mouth. Equipment can't compensate for bad user technique. You have to either improve the user's technique or use a different solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandall Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Totally agree with GR1. Most churches I'm involved with use clip-mics for anyone not tied to a lectern or pulpit, but for lectures I always insist on a lightweight headset (CPC or similar - can't afford DPA or Countryman) - good quality sound at consistent level, & no feedback. I must admit I've never tried mic'ing up pasta though :). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkBarl Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 What would be your recommendation? Thank you That he hold the mic closer to his mouth. Mac For a handheld, this is the only effective solution. A hypercardiod will reject more ambient, but the trade off is that the microphone needs to be held closer to the mouth. Pointed at the mouth. None of this holding it vertically talking across it rubbish. It could be that the handheld is almost prop like. It gives something for the hands to do while wandering round. See if you can start using a headset with them still holding the handheld microphone with the view to removing it eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVwise Posted August 25, 2017 Author Share Posted August 25, 2017 Thank you guys for your kind and fast response, Unfortunately its immposibe to have him wear a countryman or a headset mic since most times during one on one prophecies he wants the mic off and plus he doesnt like it Education as you suggested has not worked so far for many years so I have given up on that. So which mic model between shure and senheisser would you suggest for this application? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmdh Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 I am intrigued by this question being posted the same day by the same (new) author as http://www.blue-room.org.uk/index.php?showtopic=69712&st=0&p=554020entry554020 - strikes me as a little odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVwise Posted August 25, 2017 Author Share Posted August 25, 2017 Thank you guys for your kind and fast response, Unfortunately its immposibe to have him wear a countryman or a headset mic since most times during one on one prophecies he wants the mic off and plus he doesnt like it Education as you suggested has not worked so far for many years so I have given up on that. So which mic model between shure and senheisser would you suggest for this application? Why sir, I hope I havent broken the rules sir? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 I am intrigued by this question being posted the same day by the same (new) author as http://www.blue-room.org.uk/index.php?showtopic=69712&st=0&p=554020entry554020 - strikes me as a little odd. What's odd about it? The OP is asking a question about microphones for his church and, presumably, about the choice of PA systems for it. Whilst a congregation of 10,000 might seem strange to us, it's far from unusual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandall Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Education as you suggested has not worked so far for many years so I have given up on that.So which mic model between shure and senheisser would you suggest for this application? From what you write it's not going to make much difference what make of mic you use - the more sensitive the mic the more extraneous noises you are going to pick up. A capacitor mic will have less response peaks, so will help a bit with feedback, but only a bit. If you can persuade him to point the mic in the general direction of his mouth a hypercardioid may help, but not every problem has a solution, & this looks like something that science can't help you with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulears Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 You need to have a serious and probabl well documented meeting where you can explain the physics and leave him with the problem. Personally I like Sennheiser radios over shires for no logical reason apart from personal preference. I like Shure fone especially the 87/86 head versions but sennheiser 865 heads are pretty similar. None will solve your problem. Ten thousand people deserve decent sound and this is entirely up to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyMitchell Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Unfortunately its immposibe to have him wear a countryman or a headset mic since most times during one on one prophecies he wants the mic off and plus he doesnt like it Virtually all presenters will, at some time, want the mic muted - this is not a valid reason why your presenter cannot wear a lavalier or a headband mic.As already cited, the only answer that will give you successful results is education. Operating the mute switch on a belt-pack can be perfected in seconds.Over recent years, more & more presenters have become accustomed to using headbands. Possibly helped by seeing big names on TV interviews wearing them.... not so long ago many would flatly refuse and look at you as if you're mad. So which mic model between shure and senheisser would you suggest for this application? The brand is somewhat academic, as is the capsule, until you get the user to speak at the right volume in the direction of the thing, at the right distance.On the subject of brands, very broadly speaking, companies that mainly do corporate AV tend to stock Sennheiser, whereas those whose roots are in Rock & Roll tend to opt for Shure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandall Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 You need to have a serious and probabl well documented meeting where you can explain the physics and leave him with the problem. Unfortunately, if my experience of Pastors from African mega-churches visiting the UK is anything to go by, this may be wishful thinking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shez Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Surely in a 10000 pax venue there's a competent sound op who can mute the Mic when required? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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