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My bands drummer needs some monitoring! Currently we use Aux 1 from our desk (Soundcraft EFX8) into graphic then to amp then into 2 X 8ohm speakers daisy chained for our two guitarists/singers (We only use foldback for vocals generally). How can I get our Drummer a wedge? If I daisy chain from one of the Wedges this will alter impedance, resulting in poorer performance from the amp. If I use 2nd Aux from the desk we can't use on board affects (which I usually use for a bit of reverb FOH). What is the easiest, cheapest way to go about it. BTW the drummer has a powered wedge, if we use it how is best to utilise it?

Any help much appreciated.

MIke

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Like GR1 said: drummer might want a different mix in the monitor. So, as far as I can see, there are not many options you have with this board: follow paulears' advice and give the drummer the same mix. Maybe your EQ has TRS and XLR output, then you don't even need a Y-cable.

Or get an external FX unit. Then you can use the FX BUS for a second mix. Or get a bigger board. :(

Both options are not really cheap.

 

Norbert

 

P.S. What signal do you get on the so-called MONITOR OUT? Have you fiddled around with that already?

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Simplest way is probably a line level link out of amp to powered wedge, if the amp has one - most do.

or as said, a "Y" cable.

 

There's probably ways of having the graphic on the front wedges, but no on the drummer's wedge which may be better. You'll have to experiment.

 

Or get an external FX unit. Then you can use the FX BUS for a second mix.

You'd still need a send for the FX though - I can't see any benefit.

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Thanks for all the advice on this. So we have been trying Y adapter out of graphic - one going to drummers powered wedge and one to monitor amp for singers. The signal the drummer receives is not the same volume level as the amp?? Would it be any different splitting the signal out of the back of monitor amp rather than graphic?

Mike

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No. Or rather yes it would be different, but not in a good way!

 

The output of the amp will be at a level that will probably kill the drummer's powered wedge.

 

I assume the amp for your vocal wedges & the drummers wedges both have a level control of some sort - can you not get the volumes to match using these, and then the level on the desk as an overall control?

 

What make and model are the graphic, amp, wedges & powered wedge? The more info we have, the less our answers will be based upon guesswork!

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From desk (Soundcraft EFX8) aux1 - Behringer altragraph pro - (channel 1 - FOH amps), (channel 2 for monitoring) this is where we currently split with Y adapter. 1 signal to Laney amp for monitors other signal to drummers carlsbro powered wedge.(the drummer also sings) Obviously everyone is getting same mix, so any changes I make at the desk effects all. The vocal mix is fine for out front singers but drummer says Lead singer is too loud and he can't hear himself??

Is there any better way? If I get a separate effect unit will it free up aux2 at the desk, to give drummer a separate mix?

Cheers

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could try a small mixer , y split the drummers mic into it and your main desk and feed the y split from your monitor aux out to another channel on the drummers mixer,then he can adjust his vocals and the singers mix to suit,if the carlsbro wedge has a mic in and a line in you may not need the second mixer
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If I get a separate effect unit will it free up aux2 at the desk, to give drummer a separate mix?

Cheers

 

What do you use the effects on? If it's just one channel (lead singer?) then you could insert an external effects unit & free up the other Aux (though I think it's post fade).

 

If your effects need to be on several things though, you'll need the 2nd Aux for that anyway, so an external unit will not help.

 

There are other things you could do, themadhippy suggested a couple. But to be honest, I think you've outgrown that desk.

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