willdart666 Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 It seems lately that every time I think of a product I need, no one makes it. That or my internet skills are not what they used to be. This is what I need:- Par 64 Floorcan style- LED- Dimmer and strobe channels- White only- Gel frame clips I would settle for an RGBW but I would prefer it to be just white. I might be wrong but I feel it would have a bit more punch if it's just white, and it's for a personal project involving a colour scroller. It needs to be LED for power reasons and to do away with the dimmer. Push comes to shove I'll just get regular RGB and sulk. ;) Has anyone had much experience with using LED and gel? I know it seems odd when there is RGB available but like I said, it's a personal project. Experimenting through the winter months! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley R Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 I have not seen just White. But I have seen plenty of White and Amber LED PAR's. Try Thomann? (I hope I've spelt it right), if not eBay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamtastic3 Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 Something like the COLORado series....? http://www.chauvetlighting.com/colorado-zoom-cw-tour.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
productionpeople Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 http://prolight.co.uk/item/ledj29/ this is about as close to what your discription RGBW produces the same white as white only leds.Have a look if you see anything you like on the website mail me. cheers Ricky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
125db Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 Try to search for white+amber led pars. +1 for the Colorado, however I know that Electron got better white led pars with 5w leds (they are not on their website, try to contact them). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niclights Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 In addition to Chauvet and LEDJ there is SGM and Terbly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musht Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 I feel it would have a bit more punch if it's just white It might be subtly brighter than RGBAW in white, probably quite a bit brighter than RGB in white, the qualification is to x value of white. LED is not anywhere near as bright as a xenon strobe. >>much experience with using LED and gel Something cheap and easy to experiment with, LED torch and gel swatchbook, you`ll notice the colours can look quite a lot different and reds can be very dull. Advantage of RGB/A/W in strobing is very pure colours and very fast switch between colours, not achievable with a scroller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossmck Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 >>much experience with using LED and gel Something cheap and easy to experiment with, LED torch and gel swatchbook, you`ll notice the colours can look quite a lot different and reds can be very dull. Have a look at http://ledmuseum.candlepower.us/led/specx02.htm which shows the spectra of a number of different "White" LED sources. You'll see the way that 'white' is created is very different from an incandescent lamp, there's generally very little red in them with huge peaks towards blue and green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulears Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 Not got gel clips, but This one from CPC is availablehttp://cpc.farnell.com/productimages/farnell/standard/DP31220-40.jpg or this one with gel capability http://cpc.farnell.com/productimages/farnell/standard/DP31262-40.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niclights Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 That LEDJ product does not have strobe. The HQ Power product is not DMX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulears Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 Sorry - shame about the only feature being on or off? Mind you the other could strobe from the desk - which would be potentially simpler to do - but I take your point.P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willdart666 Posted November 5, 2011 Author Share Posted November 5, 2011 I have not seen just White. But I have seen plenty of White and Amber LED PAR's. Try Thomann? (I hope I've spelt it right), if not eBay! Yeah Thomann is where I've been searching mostly. I bought a cheap desk from there a couple of weeks ago and it turned out to be quite well built (for a cheap desk!) and very handy. Ebay seems to be the realm of over priced crap. I've seen £40 Thomann fixtures on there for anything up to £150. Something like the COLORado series....? http://www.chauvetlighting.com/colorado-zoom-cw-tour.html I was really looking for something cheaper. If I stumble upon an amazing idea then Chauvet is the kind of brand I'd look at to take it professionally. http://prolight.co.uk/item/ledj29/ this is about as close to what your discription RGBW produces the same white as white only leds. Already seen this elsewhere, it doesn't strobe so not really what I want to achieve. Mind you the other could strobe from the desk - which would be potentially simpler to do - but I take your point.P I've found in the past that trying to force an LED to strobe, when it doesn't want to, leads to quite a mash of random flashes and just looks very awkward. Also, with regards to the difference between an LED and incandescent lamp, I actually hadn't considered that. Thanks for the link as well. I was going to trial some ideas on a small show I'm doing in a few weeks but I think I'll get a couple of regular RGB cans and save my wacky ideas for some other poor band. Looking at these, about as cheap as they come: http://www.thomann.de/gb/stairville_led_par_64_black_floor.htm 5 channels: Dimmer, RGB and...sound to light? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulears Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 Strobing a dozen LED cans works quite accurately for me, I've found. After all, it's a full up, followed by a blackout - just fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niclights Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 5 channels: Dimmer, RGB and...sound to light?R, G, B, Colour Macro, Strobe. No Dimmer. While I do use chases for pseudo strobe sometimes it is only really viable for a relatively slow speed. Usually trying to go higher is too much for the console/DMX and low speeds don't look correct because strobe relies on consistent short on values with varying length off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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