paulears Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 I've got a colour Samsung laser printer, and the cost of a CMYK toner set is really high - so I figured I'd buy a new toner cartridge for my old black and white laser - that I used before the colour one. I can get a genuine Samsung for around £55, or a remanufactured one for about £40. The remanufactured one has a chip in it to fool the Samsung - which it doesn't. Looking around, I can get a new B&W laser for less than the price of a cartridge - so I've ordered a new one, and have a perfectly good spare sitting around. I fail to see why a cartridge full of toner can possibly cost more than an entire printer! Am I missing something here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadhippy Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Often the toner/ink in the new ultra cheap printer only lasts for a few pages,and the refills is were the company makes the money ,Bit like razor blades,sell the body and a few blades cheap,then charge a fortune for a pack of new blades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p.k.roberts Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 I fail to see why a cartridge full of toner can possibly cost more than an entire printer! Am I missing something here? I think the term you're looking for Paul, might be 'loss leader'.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pritch Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Remember though that the cartridge that comes with the printer is often a starter/sample one, and will do something like less than half the page count of a proper one. But yes, buying original cartridges is a mug's game. Remanufactured for me all the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulears Posted November 1, 2011 Author Share Posted November 1, 2011 The trouble is that if you buy a non branded one and it doesn't work youve wasted even more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jivemaster Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Look for a "Cartrdge World" in your area. Til recently I have refilled my own with success, but a friend uses CW and if he gets a dud refilled one they are round to replace it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigclive Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 I recommend researching a printer on the 'net before buying it, to see if it can be refilled easily and cheaply. I've got a cheap Samsung printer and it's worth noting that it uses a lower temperature toner than the older printers and lays down a fairly thin coat that isn't easy to adjust to make blacker. This means that I ended up going back to my old HP Laserjet printer for transparencies, since the Samsung couldn't do the job. Fine for letters and stuff though. If you've got an old inkjet printer like the earlier Canon Pixma range that don't use chipped cartridges, then KEEP IT! Goodness knows how much I've save in ink costs with it's ludicrously easy to refill ink cartridges. As a side note, my old HP Laserjet 6L only has a parallel printer port and I didn't have much hope of it working with a new XP netbook. I bought a very cheap USB to parallel interface on ebay, plugged it in and it recognised the model and loaded the driver automatically. That took me completely by surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Pearce Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 There are some lasers out there now that have 'lifetime' drums and only require toner. I dont have any experience of them and how easy it is to refill or what the quality is like but might be worth a look? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 I have a Samsung too, and it has only ever had genuine supplies, my theory is on an inkjet (or similar) if you buy a refilled and its faulty, it can't hurt anything else, you just bin it and buy another, problem with the laser is if the cartridge is faulty and it is going to damage anything, its right next to a very expensive drum! As a cost cutting measure, I install a second printer driver, set it to mono and then as the default printer. Now I have to go out of my way to print in colour saving on toner and an extra three passes off the life of the transfer kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dj Dunc Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 get a CISS kit for between £30 and £80 pounds. Inks for it cost around £15 (usually come with a kit) and will last you the equivalent of 200 ink cartridges. if you do a search for "insert model number here" CISS on google, you should get lots of good results. Dunc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulears Posted November 1, 2011 Author Share Posted November 1, 2011 The trouble I had was that you could buy toner, and a new chip on a little pcb, but the printer didn't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Lewis Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 The trouble I had was that you could buy toner, and a new chip on a little pcb, but the printer didn't like it. Probably a tricky area (as the supplier is effectively subverting the manufacturer's protection device) but where do you stand with regards to sale of good act etc.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mutley Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 I think it was Epson recently lost a law suit against them for causing printers fitted with non-genuine ink to reject the cartridge. If you have bought the printer, they are not allowed to dictate who you buy cartridges from. Normally new laser printers come with a 200-500 page yield toner cartridge - just enough for you to start relying on it! Replacement cartridges are generally 1500-2500 page yield for small printers, 3500-6000 page yield for medium sized printers, and 12000-16000 page yield for large scale printers. I was explaining this to a customer the other day.... A cheap set of 8ml inkjet cartridges for his Epson inkjet printer normally last about 100 pages (according to him) only printing invoices (less text than a full page), and cost about £8 each. That's 8p per page.A laser cartridge for a small Samsung laser printer with a page yield of 2000 and costing £30 (what I sell single compatible ML2010 cartridges for including delivery), works out at 1.5p per page. So yes, a toner cartridge may seem expensive, but in reality, it's only because your are effectively buying in bulk. I use a Samsung laser printer myself for my own paperwork, and just refill it from a bottle of toner powder I got given for free! Because it's not the "right" toner, it prints a bit light, but still readable. For customer paperwork, I use an HP 2600n colour laser printer. Toner for this costs about £125 per set, and has a page yield of about 2500 each = 1.3p per page for black only text. I can normally supply toners at about 60-75% of what they cost at Cartridge World, with 30 day guarantee...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ynot Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 I think it was Epson recently lost a law suit against them for causing printers fitted with non-genuine ink to reject the cartridge. If you have bought the printer, they are not allowed to dictate who you buy cartridges from.I've stopped buying Epson after having a few bad experiences with them over the years. There ALWAYS seems to be a finite cut-off where the machine develops an ink 'fault' which can only be rectified by return to an approved maintainer. Or so they say. Most of it is a load of tosh as a quick Google will find you the shortcuts to follow on the printer menus to reset the counters. That doesn't always work however, so I think I've binned more epson machines than I care to mention, both at home (at one time we were running 3 printers, still have 2) and the theatre. I've also had problems using non-mfr inks in the inkjets - apparently pukka ink has an anti-coagulant or a thinner or some such in the formula to prevent heads clogging. Which does ring true when I consider that I've had blocked heads after using several copy ink carts, but when I run the 'real thing' through with a head clean it sorts it out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingwalker Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 I once stumbled across a website called www.cartridgemonkey.com and found them to be the most helpful guys around when it came to this kind of thing. Cheapest ink and toners for most brand of units ever and free delivery - I've now used them several times and can't reccommend them enough. David. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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