andyharris Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 hey guys, right I'm looking for some help here I currently help out with a professional wrestling company and we run shows in large social clubs and sports halls across the Teesside and surrounding area's, and currently use the hall lighting which doesn't always light up the ring as much as we would like for filming purposes and are now thinking about some sort of lighting rig to be suspended about 12ft above the ring every where we go, we'll only be hanging about 8 flood lights and 4 LED par can on there, but what we are wanting to know is this, Is there a cheap way of suspending this rig? and how would be best to do this since all the venues we go to have different ceiling heights. I know the big American companies use some type of motor to hang these, but we are looking to get all that we need for as cheap as possible any help would be great cheers andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jivemaster Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Having a portable truss with the appropriate lights to conform to your Association or Federation's specifications is easy, it can travel in the van from hall to hall. What is difficult is hanging it from the roof in each place. You need to get properly approved hanging points in each place with adequate rigging access and then you need to find adequate power in each place. In some budget venues there may be neither available roof rigging points nor available power supply. One hall I know has boxing lights permanently installed redy to wind down from the roof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyharris Posted February 18, 2011 Author Share Posted February 18, 2011 the venue's we run shows is are large function rooms at social clubs however the one's we run are have theatre rooms, with a stage, stage lighting rigs already hung from the ceiling however they never allow us to point these lights at the ring even though the hire room agreement also includes use of the said lighting in which ever form and direction is needed, but that's a different topic haha the other venues we run also have yearly boxing shows which I have personally been to and they also use these type rigs hung above the ring but I wasn't able to have a chat with there lighting tech to see how they managed it. so it would seem it is possible to do it in the venues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevne Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Have you looked into using stands? Something like this should do you just fine. Relatively cheap too. If you brought 2, you could put one either side of the ring so as not to obstruct the audience's sight line. Just a thought. My link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyharris Posted February 21, 2011 Author Share Posted February 21, 2011 that lighting stand wouldn't go high enough above the ring and we are looking at getting either a square or circular shape truss to get as much lighting coverage as possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trussmonkey Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 it is an option to build a ground support truss structure to the required height. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 ... we are looking at getting either a square or circular shape truss to get as much lighting coverage as possibleI think you've just answered your own question. As in... Is it an option to build a ground support truss structure to the required height? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyharris Posted February 21, 2011 Author Share Posted February 21, 2011 I've suggested getting a square trussing structure with ground support at the right height but the promoter of the wrestling company stated "this would look a bit unprofessional because people who come to wrestling show watch companies like WWE, TNA and others and see them with lighting above the ring and not on a big metal frame stood on the floor" so my guess is that he is looking for something like what they use only on a smaller scale with a few lights on there rather then all the one's they use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trussmonkey Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 if there are no pre installed and certificated rigging points in the roof then you have the following options Install roof points a)if the venue will let you, b, if you have the budgetGround support the lighting rig. you could do it out of silver truss and tone the legs to make a feature out of it. it is not unprofessional to have a ground support structure. many shows have it and it may be your only option!! find another way of rigging the lights !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the kid Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Have a look at IPW. I have a friend who works with them (actually "performing") I beleive they have several options. For some venues it looks like ground support, others its a touch differnt. At the same time no offence but if people are paying £10-15 to see a local show I wouldn't expect the same stuff as you get from WWE. http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/66927_443451331125_628971125_5780759_3299579_n.jpg http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/27012_379852488196_500898196_3785109_7363987_n.jpg http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v110/11/48/501822346/n501822346_104828_2084.jpg Sorry about the ... well the photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyharris Posted February 21, 2011 Author Share Posted February 21, 2011 The Kid well to be honest I personally like them kind of lighting rigs because with the right parts it can have a smaller square in the middle with a few more flood lights on as long as the loading is done correctly, but I guess this will be the way forward, the promoter can be a bit hard headed with what he thinks is the correct was to go, I know there are a couple of promotions that use this rigs, IPW, 1PW, FWA and others aswell, does anyone know how much them rigs cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Pearce Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 It's not so much the cost as whether your venues have something to hang them off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the kid Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 I don't think he is asking about hanging the ones in my picture. More how much those simple ground rigs cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LXbydesign Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 A ground support structure like that and rigging etc will add quite a long time to your get-in, unless you have a good competent crew! Also consider self-climbing systems. You can assemble and rig at ground level, flash it all out etc and then simply hoist the entire thing up. Put some LED truss warmers up the 4 verticals and it will look lovely and become part of the set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ynot Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 In my typical style I'm going to be a little blunt. They key here is in your OP...I currently help out with a professional wrestling company My bold...As a professional company you should really be looking to employ a professional solution.Now, whilst being a pro doesn't preclude the company looking for value for money in that solution, it does sort of suggest that you'll be doing it properly, and have a) the right option for all venues and b) the right crew to assemble and rig the truss wherever you go. Sorry, but I get the impression from your posts that you are not that well versed in the use of truss and the limits thereof - pardon me if I'm wrong there. Throwing truss up any old how isn't a case of just buying the bits and building a pretty cage. And hanging it in ANY forat from a grid is even more fraught with issues. My suggestion - get a professional rigging company to quote you for the supply and hire of the truss, have them train your people in how to erect it and learn the loading limitations, then you should be more able to deal with whatever the vebnues throw at you. Oh - and as every venue is going to be different you'll need to make the structure as flexible as practical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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