hjnewcomb Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Hey, seems like a great forum been reading through posts for the last hour or so trying to find information that I needed but thought it would be worth just posting myself. basically, have got myself into a bit of a pickle... got my degree show (I'm final year at NUCA) proposal to hand in .. tomorrow at 12 and have come to realise the ideas I came up with last week are not very possible. there was a few questions I was wondering if anyone could answer briefly, so I maybe able to further work out what I can and can't do. 1. Is it possible to rear project onto a screen in a room that isn't very dark.. e.g. within an exhibition space with other work ? 2. I'm hoping for a clear image if possible and am not looking for any spill through, whats the best sort of screen or material for this.. 3. Need to ask if there is screens available at uni if not is it easy to buy the material and make one, or is that far too much work and effort for someone not in the know? thanks. sorry for asking maybe rather obvious question but thanks in advance for any speedy feedback. Henry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason5d Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 1. yes if your projector is bright enough 2-3 rent a fastfold screen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the kid Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 With the answer to 1 I have used a fast fold screen and created a box around it. My screen is 2mx2m(lifted so the top is 2.40) the box was around 2m50 deep x 2m high. I could of got away with a drape over the top to block out the top light but it worked well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjnewcomb Posted February 13, 2011 Author Share Posted February 13, 2011 thanks! just came back to check and had been looking at the fastfold screens. thought about renting one but realised it needs to be in places for handin of work and degree show setup, then then marking and degree show opening.. so about 6 weeks.guessing I will have to buy one then sell it on straight after in brand new condition as being a student I don't have that sort of money readily available. I'm not clued up on projectors but if I go and speak to the film and video department tomorrow anything I should be asking for specifically? I mostly work in sculpture and installation but wanted to show a reel of actions and short performances.... if you were wondering why I was doing video work for a degree show and knew nothing about it. the box you created around the screen, how massively essential is that, suppose I could but minimal setup is required as is a very large group show.have you got and photos I could see from yours ? thanks a lot for the quick replies. henry. considering something like this: http://www.projectorpoint.co.uk/projector-screens/fastfold-projector-screen.html 188 x 137cm (4:3) - Da-Tex Rear Projection (240406)http://www.projectorpoint.co.uk/images/info-pale2.gif£694.00 http://www.projectorpoint.co.uk/images/basket/AddToBasketSmall.gifIn Stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the kid Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 IT is not ESSENTIAL but if you are in a bright room you will need it. Have a hunt around local hire places, or see if a local arts centre has one you could hire. You will loose quite a bit of money on reselling even if its used once. If you want to do a show reel. It might be easier to hire a 32inch plasma. Or just front project. Or do what lots of our students do, set up a tv in a black booth and play a dvd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason5d Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 you don't need a 'box' I would use a 10ft fastfold and a 5000 lumen projector see the gallery in our website below for pictures of projection screens in situ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulears Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 I'm sorry - but you're in the final stages of a three year programme with two and a half years of study already done, and the idea you came up with LAST WEEK, is not good, and you're starting afresh?Hey, ... got my degree show (I'm final year at NUCA) proposal to hand in .. tomorrow at 12 and have come to realise the ideas I came up with last week are not very possible. Why would you wish your degree to depend on skills you haven't got and are trying to pick up from 'talking to the uni people' tomorrow? You've not even got enough time to even try out your idea to see if it will work. What are you actually good at? What kind of things do you need to actually put on the screen? Have you got time to generate the actual material, and what are you going to use to provide the images/video whatever. Does it need sound? If the room is bright, then do you mean bright as in windows or other lights? You also need to consider distance. Back projecting needs the projector a fair way away, or a big expensive lens to spread it - but have you been allocated enough space? If you are not skilled in screen work, you could find it's just going to be awful. Remember that contrast ratio and quality on projected images may not do justice to your work - you've not mentioned what the 'work' is - but if it needs quality and definition, then maybe big poster size prints would be better and even cheaper. Buying a fastfold screen will make your student loan look good, and selling them on second hand will wipe out lots of the money spent, just by being second hand. Itemise your skills - the projection ones, and if you find them lacking, then projection could be a total waste of money. If you've never done it before, risking it on a show seems folly - and I suspect your proposal will get rejected as unresearched and potentially unworkable. so I maybe able to further work out what I can and can't do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjnewcomb Posted February 13, 2011 Author Share Posted February 13, 2011 thank you all. its for a rough degree show proposal in tomorrow.. show isn't till june..we get allocated spaces after giving in the proposal of roughly what we'r thinking of doing. specifics are done at a later date. www.henryjacksonnewcomb.tumblr.comis studio work.. if you're interested. I'm doing well and the idea of displaying a film is relevant to my practice... and makes possibilities for showing smoke works and explosive works possible rather than actually doing them in the space, as an institution there are quite a few limits on what can be done. Paul, I understand part of what you saying is trying to be helpful but a lot of it just seems general.. yea I will be using sound... please explain how that will change the use of a screen ? didn't think it important to include that. the work is 30-60second films all back to back. I dont want to be added to one of the uni show reels as they tend to be in one room all together and one persons will be 20 mins long and someone else will be 1 min long.. people don't tend to stick around long. my artwork isn't video or film based. I don't think of myself as a video artist and would like more exposure than the option of a video artist would have at the arts school, there will also be a few items from the videos around the base of the stand to reflect on the reality and sculptural qualities of the actions in the films. I hope this explains it better and thank you for the mostly helpful information.apparently there may be a medium sized screen at uni I can use.. which is what I was referring to with the comment about speaking to people at uni tomorrow. henry. ------------------- wow. I'm quite surprised that post just got edited.... 'personal attacks removed' really guys ??? did you miss the post above about me being rubbish and not knowing what I was doing well... urh yay. I like your world were everything is nice. ---- haha you even edited the bit about me saying general - I know more than you banter' - seriously editings one thing but editing peoples posts so it says something else completely is a bit ridiculous no ? just rewrite it for me if you like ? I guess this will disappear too and be replaced with a smiley face and picture of a fluffy bunny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timsabre Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 you don't need a 'box' I would use a 10ft fastfold and a 5000 lumen projector If you have any ambient light behind the screen, it will improve the contrast of the image to make a blackout "tunnel" between the projector and the screen. Though I agree a plasma or LCD screen on a stand would probably work better and be a lot easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuinExplorer Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Hey, seems like a great forum been reading through posts for the last hour or so trying to find information that I needed but thought it would be worth just posting myself. basically, have got myself into a bit of a pickle... got my degree show (I'm final year at NUCA) proposal to hand in .. tomorrow at 12 and have come to realise the ideas I came up with last week are not very possible. there was a few questions I was wondering if anyone could answer briefly, so I maybe able to further work out what I can and can't do. 1. Is it possible to rear project onto a screen in a room that isn't very dark.. e.g. within an exhibition space with other work ? 2. I'm hoping for a clear image if possible and am not looking for any spill through, whats the best sort of screen or material for this.. 3. Need to ask if there is screens available at uni if not is it easy to buy the material and make one, or is that far too much work and effort for someone not in the know? thanks. sorry for asking maybe rather obvious question but thanks in advance for any speedy feedback. Henry. 1. Rear projection will yield the brightest image and is the best option for a room where you cannot control the level of ambient light hitting the screen. As mentioned, this takes quite a bit of room, even with a "short throw" lens. So, if space is your issue, then you will need to go with a front projection surface and find a way to control the ambient light hitting the screen, usually by turning off lights immediately around the screen surface if possible. 2. It is best to get actual screen material and choose not to project on any other flat surface (such as a bed sheet or blank wall). 3. If you choose not to buy/hire a screen due to budget, you have some other options. First, based off of your experience with projection, I would steer you away from that, and as suggested, have you consider using a monitor instead. Granted, it won't be as large of an image, but the best quality for your experience. Second, if you go with projection, you can often purchase used screen material from eBay and make your own frame. The screens often come from old aspect ratios rarely used (1:1 for instance). Since galleries often allow you to paint the walls, you also have the option of buying a product like Screen Goo. If you do, make sure that the surface is even so that it gives you the best image. Finally, you could also think about projecting on glass with a projection film, similar to use in many retail display applications. I have also seen it used in galleries and museums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stee_cri1 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 wow. I'm quite surprised that post just got edited.... 'personal attacks removed' really guys ??? did you miss the post above about me being rubbish and not knowing what I was doing well... urh yay. I like your world were everything is nice. ---- haha you even edited the bit about me saying general - I know more than you banter' - seriously editings one thing but editing peoples posts so it says something else completely is a bit ridiculous no ? just rewrite it for me if you like ? I guess this will disappear too and be replaced with a smiley face and picture of a fluffy bunny. Wow I think this is really rude, 'mods' are the people on this site, that if you look at there number of posts, answer a huge huge number of threads in lots of different areas so are very skilled people. They as we all are, are here to help out the Blue Room friends and also have a huge database of people that can help us. So comments like this and having indirect shots at people is not helpful nor does it make you look very good as such a new user. People generally dont take kindly to things like this and will be hesitant to help in the future. Yes I no this is nothing relevent to help with the problem you are facing but like I said feel hesitant now just incase I get a similar backhand comment One thing to remember in life is - 'Fail to plan and you plan to fail' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Some Bloke Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 wow. I'm quite surprised that post just got edited.... 'personal attacks removed' really guys ??? did you miss the post above about me being rubbish and not knowing what I was doing well... urh yay. I like your world were everything is nice. I'm glad you like everything to be nice - so do we: that's why we removed your personal attacks.I've re-read the post above and can find no mention of you being rubbish and not knowing what you were doing - just a comment about playing to your strengths. Having worked as a lecturer myself, I can see that everything in that post is exactly how I'd expect a tutor to respond to one of their students. Helpful advice that you may like to either follow or ignore. ---- haha you even edited the bit about me saying general - I know more than you banter' - seriously editings one thing but editing peoples posts so it says something else completely is a bit ridiculous no ? just rewrite it for me if you like ?I apologise if I changed the meaning of your post. My intention was to keep the meaning the same when removing your ad hominem attacks. If you'd like to PM me with an alternative re-wording I'll be happy to have another go. I guess this will disappear too and be replaced with a smiley face and picture of a fluffy bunny.No, but here's a picture of a fluffy buny with a smiley face, if that helps.[ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjnewcomb Posted February 16, 2011 Author Share Posted February 16, 2011 I understand you point. and I know I work close to the deadlines.. thats how I work. I wasnt asking on advice though on how to be a good student I was asking on advice for projections and such.I understand it was mean to be supportive but it seemed off and over exaggerated at the time. at nuca the tutors know my method of working, normally finding a new object or material to work with and then creating and finalising a work within a week or two, and this covers anything from sculpture, installation, sound, film, painting.I've spoken to them about giving a rough idea of what I want to do but leaving it loose about the content. so in a case like this all I needed to know if it was possible and I could say I would be rear projecting onto a screen that could be in a room with other works. hope this makes sense of my reaction.I know I'm not the most organised student and certainly not the most on time but I'm doing just fine and have never worked properly for anything before.. growing up being the idiot schoolboy and never getting your head down has taken me years to turn around and telling me I wasn't doing the right thing because I was doing it late didn't fit nicely with me working hard. seriously. thanks for the help though much appreciated. and assume it will help alot, apparently the uni dopes have a decent rear projecting screen so going to find out if I can sue it today.if I do come back here I'll try and ask questions, but may not give so much context to reveal what a school fool I still may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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