tregaurd Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Hi guys I need a mic for a gallery producer who will also be "on air". A bit like a guest in a radio studio. I was just going to put an SM58 on a desktop boom stand but thinking about it, am I better off going with a recording studio condensor type microphone as I guess the volume would have more tone and presence to it. Like those in a downwards position in the picture on this site - http://www.totalstud.../pro-audio.html My budget is around £100 ish .. can stretch I was looking at Audio Technica AT2020 http://www.dv247.com...crophone--25509 or something similar? Maybe Shure PG27? http://www.dv247.com/microphones/shure-pg27--65816 Also their desktop boom stands look quite tall and long. Closest I could find was http://www.dv247.com...om-stand--54800 but its gonna need to be longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unfathomable Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 I am no expert on mics, but for the stand, any boom should be able to be attached to that stand. This will produce stability issues on a small stand but if you have space to weight it down, it won't be an issue. Alternatively put a floor stand behind or next to the desk and boom from that. (you may have already tried this I guess.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbsy Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 How noisy will your gallery be and how are the acoustics? If it's quiet and relatively dead, then a cheap studio condenser will sound quite nice--but if there's a lot of background noise or it's an echoey, hard-walled space, you might be better off with a dynamic that he can get up close to. If you decide a condenser is suitable for you, I can heartily recommend THE SE2000 which is an astoundingly good mic for the money. I've become a big fan of SE over the last 10 years or so and have a selection of their mics which now come out of the cupboard quite often in preference to my expensive Neumann and AKG mics. On the other hand, if you go with a dynamic, yeah, you could consider the SM58 but I'd probably go for a Sennheiser...probably an 845 within your budget or the 835 if you want to save some money. As for the mic stand, if you possibly can, for your application you really want a studio boom like THIS. I've not personally tried that model but it was the first one I came across. Anything less mobile is going to very quickly become a major annoyance. Finally, if the guy in the gallery has to speak, don't forget that the studio monitors must never have his mic on them...maybe just use cans or Auxes to create a mix minus feed for monitor speakers. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tregaurd Posted January 6, 2011 Author Share Posted January 6, 2011 How noisy will your gallery be and how are the acoustics? If it's quiet and relatively dead, then a cheap studio condenser will sound quite nice--but if there's a lot of background noise or it's an echoey, hard-walled space, you might be better off with a dynamic that he can get up close to. If you decide a condenser is suitable for you, I can heartily recommend THE SE2000 which is an astoundingly good mic for the money. I've become a big fan of SE over the last 10 years or so and have a selection of their mics which now come out of the cupboard quite often in preference to my expensive Neumann and AKG mics. On the other hand, if you go with a dynamic, yeah, you could consider the SM58 but I'd probably go for a Sennheiser...probably an 845 within your budget or the 835 if you want to save some money. As for the mic stand, if you possibly can, for your application you really want a studio boom like THIS. I've not personally tried that model but it was the first one I came across. Anything less mobile is going to very quickly become a major annoyance. Finally, if the guy in the gallery has to speak, don't forget that the studio monitors must never have his mic on them...maybe just use cans or Auxes to create a mix minus feed for monitor speakers. Bob I love the sound of the 845/835 if we go for dynamic - thanks for the advice. I guess with a dynamic they will be more practical in case we want to use them for other things like singers. The gallery used to be a radio studio so the acoustics are good and there is relatively little background noise. The producer will be sitting at a desk with mic in front but I wouldnt say they will be leaning in close to it. But I want a fairly loud punchy vocal. The mic will very rarely ever move which was why I looked at the stands like in the recording studio picture but yes I will look into studio booms as it'd be handy. Yep, understand about the monitor mix. The speakers going in to the mixer are fine being passive unpowered right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbsy Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Just a bit on my thinking: You say you want a loud, punchy sound. The way this is achieved in a radio situation tends to be the DJ being pretty close to the mic and very much on axis. However, you say this is a TV gallery, so the producer in there will be watching monitors, possibly push buttons, etc. The ideal place for the sound you want would put the mic pretty much in his eyeline and in the way of any other duties. I'd guess there will be a need to grab the mic and pull it close when talking and shove it out of the way when not. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tregaurd Posted January 6, 2011 Author Share Posted January 6, 2011 Just a bit on my thinking: You say you want a loud, punchy sound. The way this is achieved in a radio situation tends to be the DJ being pretty close to the mic and very much on axis. However, you say this is a TV gallery, so the producer in there will be watching monitors, possibly push buttons, etc. The ideal place for the sound you want would put the mic pretty much in his eyeline and in the way of any other duties. I'd guess there will be a need to grab the mic and pull it close when talking and shove it out of the way when not. Bob Yes true - I guess they will want to push it out the way. So that studio swivel arm with the SE2000 condensor is going to be the best option I think. WIth maybe an 835 or two bought in as spares incase we ever need handheld studio mics. It's mainly going to be lavs in there. Do people generally really not rate the audio technica gear? Nobody ever seems to recommend it, yet from the demos on youtube they get good comments. Just better around for the price maybe? I need a wired lapel mic as a studio backup and I'd chosen the AT803b as I'd heard it and its nice, but kinda having second thoughts ** laughs out loud ** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbsy Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Well, I've never tried the AT2020 but have a few AT mics in my "box". I've never found anything wrong with their stuff, it's just that I tend to know things that perform a bit better for the same money. AT seem to be a bit of a halfway house between cheap, "no name" gear and more expensive name brand stuff--but the mics of theirs that I've tried have always been fine--just not my first choice at whatever price point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timtheenchanteruk Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 what about the angle poise type mic stand? seen these in a coupld of studios. angle poise mic stand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmyP1955 Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Something with no or with minimal proximity effect. The EV RE20 has been the standard for ages. The Heil PR40 is quite nice. The EV RE16 or RE15 should do decently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbsy Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Nice mics but I'm not sure they'll fit the OP's stated budget.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revbobuk Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 The Shure SM-7 has a good sound, and is designed for on-air use. Handy mount, too. Tends to be a standard for this kind of thing across the pond, but I think they have a nice smooth sound on vox. Large diaphragm dynamic, rather than condenser. [edited to deal with the fact that I didn't pay attention] ...but they are nearer £400 than £100! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tregaurd Posted January 9, 2011 Author Share Posted January 9, 2011 I think we are ending up going with Bobbsy's recomendation of the SE mic with the very nice Rode swivel stand. (Thanks Bobsys) The whole condensor/dynamic thing is an issue but the room is very good acoustically and the producer wont always be right up against the mic and I heard it sounding nice on youtube so I figured this is good. Would have liked a £400 mic so thanks for all other suggestions but no budget unfortunately. Also bear in mind (tho I may not have said) the sound will be encoded and streamed down the internet (which may even be a mono type thing I think) so anything top range would probably be wasted. My other mic choice to make is a wired lav lapel mic, to be used as backup if the wireless mics had any issues. I've got it down to Shure Sm11 vs AT 8030Bhttp://www.dv247.com...crophone--61218http://www.dv247.com...crophone--28978 All reviews of the Sm11 say its a very quiet mic so thinking of going for the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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