patching/addressing problem

[ClarenceSligo]

hey guys should start off by saying hello

 

im gavin from sligo ireland,

 

right so here goes

 

 

iv been given the task of getting two ypoc 575 pro's working along with the 8 250's that are already working, im using an Avolites azure and a GLP db4 splitter.

 

iv never done this in my life and im have some awful trouble, iv followed the video on the avolites website to patch it in and I think iv that done,

 

so what I done

 

pugged in the mover and set the DMX to 16 , I took a line out from the split (line one as it was free)

and put it into the mover, I then followed the patch instructions on the website,

 

to the best of my know how I thought this would work as the fixture now shows up on my fixture menue , but now, not a move out of it when I selected it as I would the 250's

[AndyJones]

To check that fixture is receiving data, and working, The first thing I would try doing is setting the new fixture, to the same address as one that is already working.

If the fixture then responds and works as you would expect, you would know that is is a patch issue with the desk, rather than a cabling issue.

 

HTH

 

Andy Jones

[ClarenceSligo]

To check that fixture is receiving data, and working, The first thing I would try doing is setting the new fixture, to the same address as one that is already working.

If the fixture then responds and works as you would expect, you would know that is is a patch issue with the desk, rather than a cabling issue.

 

HTH

 

Andy Jones

 

 

hey andy

 

cheers for the rapid reply

 

iv tryed it with both of the 575's if thats what you mean.

 

iv never adressed a light in my life and really took a guess that that was the right adress as the

mover has 16 channels.

 

would it make any difference on what channel I came out of from the splitter?

 

this is really a nightmare as there is NO one local that does DMX lighting and im Really new.

[AndyJones]

The line out of the splitter shouldn't make a difference, it is the same data that is repeated out of each socket.

 

Can you tell me what the address's for the other 250's are? They will each need a gap of 16 (or a similar number) of channels.

 

You will need to make sure that the address you set for the 575's are different to these addresses. The easiest thing to do at the moment is just to plug one of the 575's straight into the DMX output of the Azure, and get that working on it's own- leave all of the splitters, and data runs until you know that you have the two 575's lights patched in and working.

 

Regards,

 

Andy Jones

 

EDIT: If you don't have it already, the manual can be found HERE

[ClarenceSligo]

The line out of the splitter shouldn't make a difference, it is the same data that is repeated out of each socket.

 

Can you tell me what the address's for the other 250's are? They will each need a gap of 16 (or a similar number) of channels.

 

You will need to make sure that the address you set for the 575's are different to these addresses. The easiest thing to do at the moment is just to plug one of the 575's straight into the DMX output of the Azure, and get that working on it's own- leave all of the splitters, and data runs until you know that you have the two 575's lights patched in and working.

 

Regards,

 

Andy Jones

 

EDIT: If you don't have it already, the manual can be found HERE

 

ok im headin in now,

 

so I should go to the last fixture on the line ( led par ) and set the 575 to 16 more channels eg par 420 - mover 436 then set that adress to the patch on the desk,

 

sorry if im being a pain, really never done this befor and only going on what I can find out on the internet.

 

cheers again andy

[AndyJones]

The LED par will probably only use 5 channels:

1 = Red

2 = Green

3 = Blue

4 = Strobe/effect

5 = Dimmer

 

So in theory you could start the 575's at the address 426. I am however a great fan of spreading out, So maybe start at 430? This means the first 575 will take up 16 channels. so the next 575 will need to be addressed at 432 (Or anything higher!)

 

As I said the easiest thing is to take a cable straight out of the desk and into the 575. This way you can rule out anything else causing you any issues. When you plug into the back of the Azure you will need to make a note of what DMX line (DMX output) you plug into. You will need to patch the movers so that they are assigned to this line. If the Azure is like the Pearl (I wouldn't know having never used one!) Then it is worth noting that the DMX line on the back is labeled numerically on the back of the desk but in the software they are refereed to as A, B, C, D.

 

Hope this helps!

 

Regards,

 

Andy Jones

[ClarenceSligo]

The LED par will probably only use 5 channels:

1 = Red

2 = Green

3 = Blue

4 = Strobe/effect

5 = Dimmer

 

So in theory you could start the 575's at the address 426. I am however a great fan of spreading out, So maybe start at 430? This means the first 575 will take up 16 channels. so the next 575 will need to be addressed at 432 (Or anything higher!)

 

As I said the easiest thing is to take a cable straight out of the desk and into the 575. This way you can rule out anything else causing you any issues. When you plug into the back of the Azure you will need to make a note of what DMX line (DMX output) you plug into. You will need to patch the movers so that they are assigned to this line. If the Azure is like the Pearl (I wouldn't know having never used one!) Then it is worth noting that the DMX line on the back is labeled numerically on the back of the desk but in the software they are refereed to as A, B, C, D.

 

Hope this helps!

 

Regards,

 

Andy Jones

 

hey andy just in the door,

 

 

right I think the old lampie was into spreading out too,

 

put the last head is patched at 200 and theres 3 cans after, so I worked out my next one to be 220??

 

also I changed the signal cable in the back of the spliter and the second I did the head move to home position.

so that cable must have been broke,

 

can I ask were you got the figger of 430 ?

 

also tomorro morning il move them up to the desk as you said,

 

also I think I might have patched them to B were the line comin off the desk is one, will move that tomorro too

 

thank you very much again its hard to get good help

[AndyJones]

Hello,

 

If the last head is patched into 200 (The 200 refers to the First channel that the moving light address starts from) you would then allow 15 channels (or however many the head uses) which brings us up to 215 for the next available address. A lot of the bog standard LED pars use 5 channels as I previously stated, which gives us the following:

 

200 Moving head (15channels)

215 LED Par (5 channels)

220 LED Par(5 channels)

225 LED Par (5 channels)

230 Next available....

 

This gives us the next use able address of 230.

 

The fact that the mover changed position when you swapped the cable is a positive sign. As you said it means you may have had a duff cable. If the mover had previously been addressed on line B then it would never have worked! so by changing the line, and the patch then you may find it all suddenly starts to work!

 

Good luck! I am now away from the internet for the weekend, So I shall leave you with the rest of the forum!

 

Regards

 

Andy Jones

[ClarenceSligo]

Hello,

 

If the last head is patched into 200 (The 200 refers to the First channel that the moving light address starts from) you would then allow 15 channels (or however many the head uses) which brings us up to 215 for the next available address. A lot of the bog standard LED pars use 5 channels as I previously stated, which gives us the following:

 

200 Moving head (15channels)

215 LED Par (5 channels)

220 LED Par(5 channels)

225 LED Par (5 channels)

230 Next available....

 

This gives us the next use able address of 230.

 

The fact that the mover changed position when you swapped the cable is a positive sign. As you said it means you may have had a duff cable. If the mover had previously been addressed on line B then it would never have worked! so by changing the line, and the patch then you may find it all suddenly starts to work!

 

Good luck! I am now away from the internet for the weekend, So I shall leave you with the rest of the forum!

 

Regards

 

Andy Jones

 

thanks a mill andy,

 

your a big help! il let ya know how I got on,

 

if anyone else wants to add anything that would be great

[Ynot]

One minor word of advice - CHECK how many channels your LED Pars have (and the other fixtures for that matter). Andy has guessed at 5 ch for the LEDs, BUT some of these can have SIX channels or more - so you'll need to modify the patching plans accordingly if yours do have more than 5.

If you don't, you'll have even more confusing problems when the Par cans overlap by a channel - it will do weird things!!

[LXbydesign]

What I do is always put things in 10's or 20's!!.

 

Most common used movers for small / mid scale venues dont go above 20 DMX control channels and as Andy said your LED pars , regardless of make will usually be 5 or 6 prehaps.

 

It just keeps things clean and easy to identify both at desk and fixture end

[rusty999]

What I do is always put things in 10's or 20's!!.

 

Most common used movers for small / mid scale venues dont go above 20 DMX control channels and as Andy said your LED pars , regardless of make will usually be 5 or 6 prehaps.

 

It just keeps things clean and easy to identify both at desk and fixture end

 

hey clarenceSligo here

 

when I went to patch in the 575s it told me the pars were 3 channels only. r g b maby?

 

also when I move the fader up for say a chase with the pars the 575s takes on a life of its own.

think thats what you mean ynot is it ?

 

later guys! going to give it another stab now! will have it shorted next time im talking to you! haha

[ClarenceSligo]

hey guys,

 

got it working today, was no problem with my patching,

 

was all down to the adressing, got it shorted,

 

cheers for all your help guys,

 

really looks the part now :wub: